Tale of 2 86 930 sold on BAT

[voitureltd]

Interestig , 7/7 2020 a modded red 86 930 with 98K miles ( RAW would like it better too ) gets sold for $85930. and a stock 83K mile Blk Blk 86 930, nice original, for $82K the day before.. Interesting peanut gallery commentary's on both. Modded 930's getting some respect on BAT?

[Matt Monson]

Links?

[JMS935]

The modded one was well over bought, it caught BaT fire. There’s no way a 930 with 100k miles on it, and a swapped out G50 911 transmission is worth 90k anywhere else on this planet but BaT. This is the effect of pumping silly money into the economy, all assets are going up.

[J-P]

I disagree. It was a special car despite it’s normal looks. You have to know the details. Read the last comment for some clues. Wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[JMS935]

It has a great motor, I don’t disagree with that. But it’s still got an inferior transmission that’s not even numbers matching and with nearly 100k on the clock. This was far better sold than bought, but I’m sure the buyer will enjoy it until he needs to rebuild the transmission.

[J-P]

It’s not an inferior transmission. As good as they come, if you know who built it, and how.

[JMS935]

My bad, you’re obviously in the know and I’m clueless.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by JMS935

My bad, you’re obviously in the know and I’m clueless.

No just two different view points

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Macroni

No just two different view points

The auction made no mention of the transmission getting rebuilt to take the power of this car, if J-P knows something that the rest of us don’t, then so be it, which is why I said I’m clueless. You don’t rebuild a turbo motor for added horsepower and then remove its turbo transmission to replace it with the normally aspirated 5 speed transmission Porsche put in cars with half this horsepower. It’s kinda stupid to put it lightly. If they wanted to swap it out with a 5 speed, then do so with the G50/50 which is meant for a turbo. And to put so much value on an engine rebuild receipt that’s a few months shy of being a decade old and at least 4k miles later (if not much more) is just as ridiculous.

This car sold for way more than it’s worth. Like I commented on the auction post sale - Well sold seller!

[Cornerlot]

The 2nd place bidder on the red 5 speed 930 was "cgalvo" who bought the other (black) 930 the day before. Who is he. Any idea how I can contact him?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JMS935

My bad, you’re obviously in the know and I’m clueless.

Calling a G50 gearbox inferior is really a pretty clueless remark.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JMS935

The auction made no mention of the transmission getting rebuilt to take the power of this car, if J-P knows something that the rest of us don’t, then so be it, which is why I said I’m clueless. You don’t rebuild a turbo motor for added horsepower and then remove its turbo transmission to replace it with the normally aspirated 5 speed transmission Porsche put in cars with half this horsepower. It’s kinda stupid to put it lightly. If they wanted to swap it out with a 5 speed, then do so with the G50/50 which is meant for a turbo. And to put so much value on an engine rebuild receipt that’s a few months shy of being a decade old and at least 4k miles later (if not much more) is just as ridiculous.

This car sold for way more than it’s worth. Like I commented on the auction post sale - Well sold seller!

Ignorant commentary. The ONLY strength difference between a 50/50 and any other G50 is the ring and pinion. Eddie Bello ran NA gearboxes against his 1200hp car for years. Literally hundreds of G50 gearboxes have gone against V8 power in kit cars for decades. You’re way out of your element on this one and talking out your star.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Ignorant commentary. The ONLY strength difference between a 50/50 and any other G50 is the ring and pinion. Eddie Bello ran NA gearboxes against his 1200hp car for years. Literally hundreds of G50 gearboxes have gone against V8 power in kit cars for decades. You’re way out of your element on this one and talking out your star.

I'm not trying to change the subject here, but Matt you once said my Ruf 6 speed wasn't that special. At the same time you said you weren't saying it wasn't an expensive transmission. Later I learned that it is the same exact trans used in a CTR from that Axel84 thread on CTR value discussion, I also learned the ratios there. I don't know if the ratios are special just because I'm completely ignorant about ratios.

Axels CTR had part no 0072 R 50-50, mine 0081 R 50-50 out of a BTR III (89) imported into Japan in 94. I was thinking a CTR 6 speed has too be a little bit special especially coupled with a BTR ruf motor don't you think? I'll leave it to the gear heads, me not well informed.

I'll take this opportunity also to say sorry for the other day, if you can accept that and still want to talk to me or make amends. I am willing. I'll try to put a plug in the jug. Ain't got any plugs at the moment though.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by 911heaven

sorry for the other day

I thought hostile exchanges was the norm and civility the exception...

[Rawknees'Turbo]

I don't know from personal experience, but have read others comment that the non-Turbo g50 is not an improvement over the 930 box because 1st gear is so short that it's unusable, so you still have a 4 gear box.

[Matt Monson]

More than anything it’s a shift quality and durability consideration. I’ve seen G50s go 150k mi without needing synchros and then all the bearings are still good. Those 930 synchro are so skinny and balky they wear out so fast. Guys who race them have to do them annually.

I’m working with Peter Dawes on a 965 right now and we are keeping the stock 3.154 main and then NA ratios for 2-5. It’s a fantastic street rod or track you set up. He called it one of his “mild” 500hp builds.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Ohhh, I hadn't considered the better wear characteristics, etc. when I posted - makes sense.

Do you think that throttle blipping (rev matching) helps preserve the sycoros? I learned to do that when motorcycle racing and almost always do it with any manual gearbox machine (on acceleration and deceleration). It makes shifting feel smoother, but I don't have any idea if it is useful otherwise (other than it is fun to do).

[Matt Monson]

Yes. Makes a huge difference on 915 and 930.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Yes. Makes a huge difference on 915 and 930.

Great! All to more reason to make even more noise while motoring on public roadways (blip, shift, blip, shift . . . )!


I'm sure n/a 911s sound just as nice when doing it, but man, it is music with the Turbo when the throttle blips are timed perfectly with the clutch and gear change.

[Matt Monson]

It’s a dying art.