1988 911 for sale with incorrect mileage - VIN WP0EB0911JS160969

[maninblack]

FYI...

This 1988 Porsche 911 VIN WP0EB0911JS160969

This car is being advertised as 63k original miles. However, I owned this car 20 years ago and it had over 100k miles then. I've notified the seller as well and am assuming it's an honest mistake.

Listed here:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/793400-1988-porsche-911-targa-g50-63k-original-miles.html

[christiandk]

Wow......good for interested parties to know. Could have fooled me. Nice looking car.

[asalcedo]

Thanks I was looking at that car. No one can trust millage anymore.

[The Duke]

Anyone care to guess what hit this should give to the current sale price? A reduction of $10K, $15K, etc.?

I've just started shopping for a 911 recently, but I'm struck by how skeptical we need to be towards their mileage claims, and this drives that point home. Is this specific to the way 911s were built, a function of their current hyper inflated value, or both?

[asalcedo]

Originally Posted by The Duke

Anyone care to guess what hit this should give to the current sale price? A reduction of $10K, $15K, etc.?

I've just started shopping for a 911 recently, but I'm struck by how skeptical we need to be towards their mileage claims, and this drives that point home. Is this specific to the way 911s were built, a function of their current hyper inflated value, or both?

I think I remember someone saying that these cars originally had a 80 mph speedometer but all of them have now a 160 one. Why?...

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by asalcedo

Thanks I was looking at that car. No one can trust millage anymore.

You're welcome. For the record, it was a very good car and probably still is. At the right price, I wouldn't be afraid of buying this car.

And you can still find nice, low-mileage examples out there. In the last couple years I've acquired several. You just have to make sure you have the right documentation. A seller's word is no longer enough - even when given with the best intentions.

[KNS]

As maninblack says, the right documentation. Some cars are sold with little or even no maintenance history (who doesn't keep even a single receipt?). If you can find a car with consistent paperwork that goes back to it's earlier days and seems to reflect what is shown on the odometer and various dates through the years, you'll be much further ahead (but still no guarantee).

I sold my SC several years ago before the market went nuts - I emphasized to the buyer to keep every receipt and slip of paper that was going with the car.

[914agogo]

"I see dead people"
I agree the lack of records may indicated efforts to omit pertinent information in regards to ownership, mileage and service however I am now at 5 cars in a row from deceased folks and only one of them was I able to recover some records and it was months after I sold a 69, the sellers sent me a package they found while going through their late relative possessions, I sent those to the new owner.
in another case the deceased was a hoarder and the only family he had let (DAV)Disabled Americans Veterans take the whole household except for the cars, so hopes for some records was gone.
I am all too happy to hand over what ever records and spares that may come with a car.

Sometimes records are not so good.
this 69E slated to be a parts car has this for documents? a lien paper stating its a VW station wagon?

anyone want a Bahama yellow 69E VW squareback?
2.0 E MFI, solid and hasnt been picked clean.

[TV74911S]

The add for the 88 still hasn't been fixed - still states 63K miles

[PushingMyLuck]

Ebay listing pulled
Porsche 911 | eBay

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by PushingMyLuck

Ebay listing pulled
Porsche 911 | eBay

FWIW, I sent the deal a pm asking him to update the ad copy

[War584]

Too bad the wholesale market has taken off - it seems to breed "oversight". Last week I stopped by an out of state porsche sales company I saw on the internet. Of the 12 cars they had for sale or sold, 5 their gauges out for repair. I was told they do not get many guests, surprise. They buy nationwide so they could not tell me when each stopped counting. Likely a common problem.

Being from California, the DMV requires smog certifications every 2 years. Carfax notes the mileage. Not a lot of help for a 30 year old car since I have only seen reporting go back to 1998 or so. But it is better than nothing.

[ILXLR8]

This was given a bump today without any correction for the miles.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/793400-1988-porsche-911-targa-g50-63k-original-miles.html
Many states do not list miles, on the new titles, for the older cars, even if it is filled out on the original title.

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by ILXLR8

This was given a bump today without any correction for the miles.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/793400-1988-porsche-911-targa-g50-63k-original-miles.html
Many states do not list miles, on the new titles, for the older cars, even if it is filled out on the original title.

Yeah, that's a little bit troubling.

When I emailed them about the mileage discrepancy they responded with:

"Good Morning, We were not under the impression that this vehicle has a mileage issue. The vehicle has been removed from all advertising sources until this can be confirmed. Do you have any documentation to verify this?"

I responded that I'm a bit of a hoarder, probably do have some old paperwork, and would check when I was at my garage this weekend. I also suggested they check Carfax and mentioned that the ad was still listed on Pelican.

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt as a local dealer. Now they're on my do-not-buy-from list. Too bad. Car looks like it still holds its own even with the higher mileage.

BTW, the dealer listing the car is RAC Performance in Carrollton, TX.

[6300 RPMs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

Yeah, that's a little bit troubling.

When I emailed them about the mileage discrepancy they responded with:

" The vehicle has been removed from all advertising sources until this can be confirmed.""

Really? LOL... Just googled it and it's listed on 3 different sites!!!!

[JordanPryce]

maninblack, Did you find any proof? I'd hate for someone to buy it without knowing the truth.

[NoYouRelax]

This car had really caught my attention here on the web. It is probably a $28k car with a dash of honesty?

[maninblack]

Originally Posted by JordanPryce

maninblack, Did you find any proof? I'd hate for someone to buy it without knowing the truth.

I haven't looked. As I said in my post, I won't be at my garage until this weekend.

I did, however, run a Carfax as I have an unlimited membership. The Carfax clearly shows the mileage discrepancy with 108,313 miles reported on 11/30/1994.

I just don't understand these dealers. If you're advertising a car as "original miles" you really should have documentation of the mileage. To just assume that a 25+ year old car has 63k original miles, then use it as the centerpiece of your marketing (ORIGINAL MILES!!), is wrong on so many levels.

[6300 RPMs]

Originally Posted by maninblack

I haven't looked. As I said in my post, I won't be at my garage until this weekend.

I did, however, run a Carfax as I have an unlimited membership. The Carfax clearly shows the mileage discrepancy with 108,313 miles reported on 11/30/1994.

I just don't understand these dealers. If you're advertising a car as "original miles" you really should have documentation of the mileage. To just assume that a 25+ year old car has 63k original miles, then use it as the centerpiece of your marketing (ORIGINAL MILES!!), is wrong on so many levels.

They now say "There is what appears to be a clerical error on the carfax."

I guess that worker must of went and changed out/rocked the speedo too! LOL

[nixtfy]

I don't know if I am am missing something, but are these low mileage cars really worth double? If these were not regularly driven they have the same amount of needs as a driver quality porsche with double or triple the mileage?