Also seeking estimate from the people who know

[Vayden1]

Hi everyone,

I am coming to the point where i am considering putting my 1972 911E on the market. Car has been family owned for over 20 years. Last year i had the engine totally gone over and resealed. Car is a Sunday driver and is just hitting 39,000 miles. Has rare options like Air conditioning and Rose Red Color code. Whale tail was added before i owned it.. it's kind of grown on me.

Pro's - Interior 8/10. No rips/tears anywhere.
Engine running strong and clean. Compression results were great, test done in August.
Body 9/10 1 very small rust bubble in door jam otherwise body is gorgeous.
Paint 7/10 small bubble on rear engine lid, scratches in clearcoat.
Trim 7/10 some small pitting .

Cons - Sportomatic transmission has an interior problem and has never gone into park as long as i have owned it. Slight buzz when shift into 2nd. Local dealership will not service the transmission.Still, car has been regularly driven for 20 years + with these issues.

Very first appearance of a small rust bubble in one door jam but otherwise car is completely rust free and has been stored appropriately.

911E.org - The 911E Registry

Estimates seem to wildly vary and these vehicles continue to appreciate.

I love this car, but owning it is both a blessing and a curse 8)

Any opinions would be appreciated.

[Vayden1]

Wednesday Bump.

[JJK78-951]

Very nice car! I wouldn't consider the sporto that much of a con~ Certainly they are unloved but actually pretty good transmissions and fun to drive!

Unfortunately that whale tail and the exhaust system do nothing but hurt the car. If you want to get top dollar take that horrible spoiler off and put a stock muffler on it, that will get you an additional $5,000 or more out of it.

Probably switch the bumpers back too... If they are steel probably ok but fiberglass I would replace with stock units.

Given all of the unique features I would not be surprised to see this car fetch $100K or better if put back to stock configuration~

Not much of a red man myself, but it does look good!

[matt930s]

I have a 69' 911 E, mostly unoriginal...lol.....

I have never seen that color... It appears pink in the photos, is that an illusion?

Value wise, an original car can bring strong money.

Heres some ranges:


1972 Porsche 911E 2 Door Coupe Value, Prices & Specs | NADAguides | NADA 1972 Porsche 911E Book Value & 1972 Porsche 911E Market Price

[pu911]

Had a 73 S in rose red- very unusual color- pink not really red. GLWS,

Phil

[Vayden1]

Originally Posted by JJK78-951

Very nice car! I wouldn't consider the sporto that much of a con~ Certainly they are unloved but actually pretty good transmissions and fun to drive!

Unfortunately that whale tail and the exhaust system do nothing but hurt the car. If you want to get top dollar take that horrible spoiler off and put a stock muffler on it, that will get you an additional $5,000 or more out of it.

Probably switch the bumpers back too... If they are steel probably ok but fiberglass I would replace with stock units.

Given all of the unique features I would not be surprised to see this car fetch $100K or better if put back to stock configuration~

Not much of a red man myself, but it does look good!

I consider the Sporto a con mainly because of the internal issue preventing it from going into Park. As mentioned my local Porsche dealership will not open the trans because they do not have someone who can do it, or do not want the risk of starting something they cant finish or get parts for.

The birth certificate states that the Trans is not listed, so a swap would not affect the car in terms of numbers matching if i or someone else put in a manual shift later on.

The car is def. between red and pink.. really noticeable when next to a red car.

I don't think i would invest in putting it back to stock at this point, that could be for the next person to do. I understand and appreciate that feedback tho 8)

[NYNick]

From an uninitiated and quite uninformed 911E standpoint:
Hate the bumper
Hate the tail
Hate the Sporto issue
Not real fond of the color either.

Having said that:

Love the model. At the right price, I'd put it back to stock and convert it to a 5 speed.

[bpu699]

The color and the trans will be big hits... That looks pink... Either way its worth a ton more than just 3 years ago...

Good luck!

[Flynt]

Looks like a great car. I love the (polarizing) color.

Are you trying to establish value in order to sell, or just to get an idea as to what it's worth?
The biggest thing I see is that the car is close enough to original that you should really spend the time and money replacing all the non-stock stuff and get that transmission sorted. I wouldn't address the rust bubbling, but if you're selling definitely point it out to interested buyers.

Based on the Hagerty valuation tool, a condition 1 '72E is $145k for a condition 1 and $104k for a condition 2 car. If your car is as described, I'd put it somewhere in there condition-wise after putting all the stock stuff back on it (closer to a 1 - but I haven't seen the car).
The valuation tool is a rough idea... There are a lot of factors that come into play with our old cars. The biggest factors in the case of your car - aside from actual condition - are the rarity of the color and transmission. If somebody has to have a pink '72 sporto, I think you could name your price. But the car will have to be perfect.

[Vayden1]

You definitely either love or hate the color.

I've loved it from the first minute i saw it. More pink then red, without a doubt.

And yes, ive had 1000 gearheads and teenagers call me gay for driving this car which always gives me a laugh.

The 70s had some incredible colors with the yellows and purple 911s.

[Vayden1]

Originally Posted by Flynt

Looks like a great car. I love the (polarizing) color.

Are you trying to establish value in order to sell, or just to get an idea as to what it's worth?
The biggest thing I see is that the car is close enough to original that you should really spend the time and money replacing all the non-stock stuff and get that transmission sorted. I wouldn't address the rust bubbling, but if you're selling definitely point it out to interested buyers.

Based on the Hagerty valuation tool, a condition 1 '72E is $145k for a condition 1 and $104k for a condition 2 car. If your car is as described, I'd put it somewhere in there condition-wise after putting all the stock stuff back on it (closer to a 1 - but I haven't seen the car).
The valuation tool is a rough idea... There are a lot of factors that come into play with our old cars. The biggest factors in the case of your car - aside from actual condition - are the rarity of the color and transmission. If somebody has to have a pink '72 sporto, I think you could name your price. But the car will have to be perfect.

I am decently educated on this car and its provenance and have an idea what it is worth.

This Pelican community however has an INSANE amount of knowledge i can draw from, so was hoping for some feedback to see if the public's expectations are in line with my own.

As far as im concerned regarding color, the interior is mint and black and the mechanical condition is excellent so anyone could change exterior color at any time. For me , the color is original and i would never change it.

The transmission is an entirely different issue, with some people refusing to drive sporto's.. others find them fun. Never mind the confirmed issue there is inside of it with not a lot of people able to work on these things. ( At least where i live )

Any feedback from the community is very much appreciated but the point of my post is to determine how desirable this car really is and what people here think a fair market value would be based on all the factors.

[Matt Monson]

Sportos have their own niche. They aren't really dinged much any more.

Jerry Woods can fix that gearbox. Really anyone who can do a 901 or 915 can do it. Inside it isn't weird. The clutch actuation and shifting outside it is what is weird. And that may actually be the problem. I would fix it for Max money.

[specialtyoneinc]

Your leaving $20k or so off the table if you don't make it period correct. (correct deck lid, period correct radio, and bumpers)

[JJK78-951]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Sportos have their own niche. They aren't really dinged much any more.

Jerry Woods can fix that gearbox. Really anyone who can do a 901 or 915 can do it. Inside it isn't weird. The clutch actuation and shifting outside it is what is weird. And that may actually be the problem. I would fix it for Max money.

Agree on fixing the gearbox, can't be that hard to figure out.

FYI haggerty values technically represent sporto value cars... If you look under the vehicle value details tab they note the following on the right hand side...:

Notes/Buzz

+10% for factory a/c.
+10% for 5-speed.
+10% for factory sunroof on coupe.

https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vbe=65822

[Gaspassin]

Originally Posted by Flynt

Looks like a great car. I love the (polarizing) color.

Based on the Hagerty valuation tool, a condition 1 '72E is $145k for a condition 1 and $104k for a condition 2 car. If your car is as described, I'd put it somewhere in there condition-wise after putting all the stock stuff back on it (closer to a 1 - but I haven't seen the car).
The valuation tool is a rough idea... There are a lot of factors that come into play with our old cars. The biggest factors in the case of your car - aside from actual condition - are the rarity of the color and transmission. If somebody has to have a pink '72 sporto, I think you could name your price. But the car will have to be perfect.

I disagree with your assesment regarding which category this car falls in. According to Haggerty
"#2 cars could win a local or regional show. They can be former #1 cars that have been driven or have aged. Seasoned observers will have to look closely for flaws, but will be able to find some not seen by the general public. The paint, chrome, glass and interior will all appear as excellent. No excessive smoke will be seen on startup, no unusual noises will emanate from the engine compartment. The vehicle will drive as a new car of its era would. The one word description for #2 cars is "excellent."

I would say that this car is between a number three and number two. Wouldn't take much to bring it up a bit in value by RTS. I think rare color plays a big part. I know most people are wary of the sportos because of rarity and difficulty finding local repair. I think this has been addressed already. Cool car and good luck.