Engine value???

cebotech1 · 10-19-2017, 12:06 PM

Hi all,
I need help in determining the value of an engine I want to sell. It is a 1970 2.2L S engine serial # 6301335 that I have been running in my 914.
The engine runs very strong and the reason I am selling it is that I am installing a 3.0L in the car now.
Here are some specs on the engine:

2.2L S engine Serial # 6301335.
Case: Aligned bored, squinters installed shuffle pinned, time certs.
New chains/ramps/bearings.
New rings.
Crank turned and drilled for oiling.
Flywheel turned and balanced.
Distributor: Bosh 0 231 159 006.
The leak down numbers that were read with cold engine (it is already out of the car) at room temp. Engine at running temperature would have better numbers. Spark plugs are nice and clean.
1 - 9%.
2 - 10%.
3 - 12%.
4 - 8%.
5 - 12%.
6 - 12%.

This is a link to video of the engine running when it was on the car a week before it was removed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJkwd4RO9E .

The engine is being sold as a long block with flywheel and distributor. Some local Porsche buddies convinced me that the engine was too valuable to run in the 914 and that I should sell it. The values they suggested seem..... questionable to me now.
Can someone give me a non biased opinion into the true value of this engine.
I would like to sell it but I will not give it away.
Thanks for the input.
Bill.

cebotech1 · 10-20-2017, 04:01 AM

Wow !
100 views and no opinions. This must be a record.
Bill.

ficke · ficke's Garage

It is hard to put a value on your engine.
But I will say $15,000. would be good but $10,000 might be all you could get.
And obviously the $24,000 was not going to happen
FS: 1970 2.2L S Engine long block.

cebotech1 · 10-20-2017, 04:28 AM

Thanks ficke,
Bill.

ficke · ficke's Garage

It is a valuable engine to a guy who is restoring his 1970 911S and needs a engine, the question is how many of those guys are there if any?
Other than that it is a high revving fun engine for a hot rod, most people like your self prefer displacement in their hot rod engines.
So I valued it as a fun hot rod engine more than the rare engine for the restorer.

ficke · ficke's Garage

You bet Bill and good luck, some one will be very happy to have that engine.

SalParadise · 10-20-2017, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ficke

You bet Bill and good luck, some one will be very happy to have that engine.

Yeah, Bill you get thumbs up from me for providing real-world leak down numbers on this for the potential buyer. Should have no problem moving it if the price is right. It's getting close to the holidays so maybe you should keep it for a few months before letting it go cheap.

BURN-BROS · 10-20-2017, 03:18 PM

20K for a good complete core would be about right.

cebotech1 · 10-21-2017, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BURN-BROS

20K for a good complete core would be about right.

BURN-BROS, by complete core, do you mean including the alternator/fan and induction, etc...?
My engine does not have the alternator and induction, but it is certainly not a core.
So if no need to rebuild is worth something, What is the value then?
Thanks to all that have responded till now. Based on the information posted here and some of the PMs I received I think it is still worth at least $20K. I may sell it for that. Any less and I start thinking that a 904 Kit would be a great project.
Bill.

Major Dad · 10-21-2017, 09:10 AM

What would be excellent to good leak down figures , and / or what would the figures be for a freshly rebuild engine ?

BURN-BROS · 10-21-2017, 09:42 AM

Hi Bill. Yes, all parts that make it a viable engine.

Case savers or time certs? If time certs then they have a history of failure....may not be a plus on the list.

Who did the machine work and who built the engine?

How many miles or hours are on the engine since the work was completed?

Leakdown #. Where was the loss coming from? The numbers you have are not terribly helpful at the moment. Real #s on a warm engine would be better for you as a seller. If the leaks are simply built up carbon on the exhaust seats, tapping them with a soft mallet usually gives a better reading..

I have had clients buy "rebuilt" engines that I had to completely re-do because of claims made by the seller did not check out.

I am not implying that is what you are doing, I am merely giving an example of what I have seen come thru my shop.

When it comes to a good engine, verifiable documentation is paramount to added value.

If you want to get maximum value from your long block, then I would recommend a few requirements.

Engine be running and in a vehicle for buyer to inspect.
proper leak down and compression #
original documentation of the work done

If you can provide all of this then 20K to 25K would be reasonable for the long block....perhaps more for the guy that owns the car the engine belongs in.

If not then I couldn't consider it anything more than a core and about 12K. Perhaps 18K if you find the car that it belongs to.

A good deal of enthusiasts gravitate towards a good running engine as it can save them a great deal for money, and rightly so. But there is a bit of Vegas luck involved in that scenario.

I hope this helps!

BURN-BROS · 10-21-2017, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Major Dad

What would be excellent to good leak down figures , and / or what would the figures be for a freshly rebuild engine ?

New 2% to 4% is about average can be less.

low mile used 2500 miles on a hot rod 2.5SS with MFI
leak down was similar to O.P. .All exhaust valves were where the loss was. Tapping the valves brought all of them down to 4%

Well used can be 10% or higher with loss thru the rings and exhaust.

Gib Bosworth · 10-21-2017, 02:30 PM

Bill,

My brother has a complete 2.2S MFI system if someone wants to put the engine back to a stock setup. Send an email to gbmotorsport@gmail.com if interested.

cebotech1 · 10-21-2017, 05:55 PM

BURN-BROS,
Here is some information I have from two previous owners.
The engine has about 3000 miles since it was built about 10 years ago by a race shop in Northern California. It was built for a dedicated track 914 which I purchased two years ago (I put about 500 miles on it).
The person I purchased the car from purchased it to make it steerable again but didn't quite finish the job. I am finishing the task of making it steerable again.
I agree that being able to see the engine run or even better drive a car with the engine installed would be great. When I first advertised the engine I offered for interested parties to drive the car but no one stepped up. When the time to remove it from the car for the new engine I made a video and posted it on youtube. That was the best I could think of at the time. The shop doing the engine work is well known in Florida, and the tech is well known and recognized as a top Porsche technician. If any one is interested they can call the shop and talk to the tech that knows the engine.
I think that is as much as I can do at this point. Willing to consider any suggestions.
Bill.