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P201 Engine Adapter - HF Engine Stand Question

Hello,

A separate longer thread will follow regarding a semi ambitious project begun in earnest last weekend.

In the mean time I have an immediate problem and could use some assistance in coming up with a solution.

The engine from my 930 currently sits in my courtyard separated from the mother ship which rests in my garage. This is very much related to the other thread I plan to create this later weekend.

I need to mount my engine to the new Harbor Freight 2000 lb engine stand I purchased and assembled today with the help of my dad. The 2000 lb version seemed the better option as it wasn't much more expensive and the collapsible legs allow for better storage.

I have purchased the P201 engine adapter yolk from Pelican. The yolk shaft fits within the adapter plate/cylinder sleeve on the stand itself but the hole used to lock it in place does not line up properly. If I remove the adapter plate, the shaft from the yolk is too loose when mated to the engine stand cylinder so that won't work.

I feel like I need a new 'sleeve' to replace the existing adapter/sleeve with new holes drilled out. Is this normal or am I overthinking things?

My German supervisor in the background offering little help. Final photo looks fine until I upload it then it goes crooked.





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Old 11-27-2015, 03:19 PM
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Funny, I just bought the 750 pound stand today, and an engine yoke off eBay. I can't currently address your issue- probably not for ten days or so. But I will be following your thread.
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If you or a friend has a welder do this. Drill out the hole in the stand sleeve and the adapter sleeve so a 1/2 bolt will fit thru it. Take a 1/2" nut and weld it on top of the hole in the stand sleeve. Then take a 1/2 Gr. 8 bolt and grind the end to a flat point. Thread it into the nut and you can lock the engine into any position you want to by tightening it against the yoke shaft.
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i just drilled new holes through the yolk. It's takes a good bit and some patience, but it's a piece o cake. Good luck with the build!
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I cut a plastic milk carton and wrapped the p201 until the plastic took up the slack.
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I would think you use one or the other.

Mount studs thru the adapter plate and leave p yoke over in the corner or use p yoke and have it loose until you put the engine or tranny on it.
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Overthinking it.

The P201 doesn't need to fit tightly into the stand. When you have 400lbs on there you won't notice any slack.
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Jake is spot on; while there is nothing wrong with the anti-slack (different than Paul's anti-sack situation) measures other people mentioned (including Kenik's milk carton condom solution), there is no need to be concerned with the not-tight fit (Norm can relate).
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When I worked at a Porsche restoration facility there were around 10 motor stands and yokes around. Original grey German ones.
I never saw any of them shimmed welded or whatever. Sometimes someone stuck a screwdriver into the hole to keep the motor from rotating while working on it.
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Overthinking it.

The P201 doesn't need to fit tightly into the stand. When you have 400lbs on there you won't notice any slack.
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When I worked at a Porsche restoration facility there were around 10 motor stands and yokes around. Original grey German ones.
I never saw any of them shimmed welded or whatever. Sometimes someone stuck a screwdriver into the hole to keep the motor from rotating while working on it.
^^Yep, what they said!

And I have a least two motors currently on regular engine yokes w/ spacers and shims. They work too.
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Brian I agree with the slack comment. Take a look at putting the black piece in the backside (yeah, here it comes...), so the flat plate is facing away from the motor. Align so p201 hole aligns with hole on the red part. Drill a new hole in the black tube only...
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So, I've punted for now while i consider using the milk carton condom approach, the black piece in the backside trick with some drilling or quite possibly the 'hooker' method where there is lots of slack in the hole.

We were also considering shimming with wood

The gap in our case is not inconsequential. It's a full half inch when the P201 rests inside the mount without the black adapter that came with the engine stand. It seems like quite an angle if I don't at least shim.

Today we broke my friends hydraulic lift in an attempt to lift the motor onto the stand. At this point we moved the motor from its pallet to the legs of the engine stand with a moving blanket to aid in sliding the motor and a 2x4 to provide some extra support. Other than the fact that I cannot rotate and get to the bottom of the motor it works quite well for mobility.

The motor with all the dressings and exhaust attached is one heavy mother. She don't move easily. I'm thinking about getting a hole drilled into the black sleeve to match the P201. I would need a matching hole in the engine stand cylinder.

Or, I will shim the existing hole if I can't find anyone to drill the holes for me.

I'm going to rent a proper engine hoist cherry picker type to aid in getting the motor on the stand. I may just disassemble a large portion of the motor to lighten the load and then see if I can get some help to muscle it into place. This will depend on if I get things drilled out or if I shim. If shimming it will be better to have the hoist to hold the motor in place while the shims are installed.

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+1 on the poly-milk bottle approach. It makes rotation so-o-o-o much easier.
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The gap in our case is not inconsequential. It's a full half inch when the P201 rests inside the mount without the black adapter that came with the engine stand. It seems like quite an angle if I don't at least shim.
Your stand may have a larger opening. I've got the smaller HF stand and while the engine yoke isn't a snug fit, the amount of play does not create any issues. My current project has been hanging on this stand for the better part of a year.





Good luck on your project. That's a very clean looking '79 you have there.
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Yes Jacob I believe the diameter is larger than the model you are using. And here I thought the larger version would be better. Maybe I should have used the smaller one.

22k on the ODO but as we all know they don't like sitting around.

Appreciate everyones input here.
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Yes Jacob I believe the diameter is larger than the model you are using. And here I thought the larger version would be better. Maybe I should have used the smaller one.

22k on the ODO but as we all know they don't like sitting around.

Appreciate everyones input here.
Any update on this???
I bought the same engine stand and have the same problem as you.... what did you do to fix your issue??
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Did you seriously buy a tool from Harbor Freight and not expect to have to modify it or correct a design or manufacturing problem?
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The heavier duty Harbor Freight engine stand fits the 5 arm yoke that VW Alley sells on EBay. It goes for about $150, shipped. I am using it right now. Might be easier to return the P201 and buy that.
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