HP2 Sport; the facts 2

[MoDog]

Forget the foundation; a house is just a place to put your stuff.

[Dr. Curve]

Now come on T- Master.........I am in no way suggesting anything about YOU. I ask only.....have you run a R12S for at least several thousand miles in the Alpe'es............or not.

I assume you are a wonderful rider and have vast experience............just not as much as I. None the less........your opinions are welcome as always.

When you state however:

"I happen to do 90% of my miles in the Alps and surrounding areas. Maybe you've heard of em. It's that place that has more tight curves concentrated in a relatively small area than there are in the entire US of A." YOU are so naive and out of contact. We have plenty of areas that are tighter, harder, and faster.............and not only that........we get to use them. Like CK says......we run them up..........

I would love to chase you thru the well worn sections of the alps that you know and which thousands of bikers ride every day..............then you come chase me thru the sections of north california, north georgia, western N.C., southern missouri, texas hill country, eastern W. Virginia, S. C. Montana (Bear Tooth, Saw Tooth), C. Idaho (all of the salmon River run, N. new mexico, and N. E. Utah...............and see how long it takes to catch me.......on such easy roads, as compared to the ALPs of course. We have the roads.......and more importantly we get to use them. Lets all be friends here.........as we all may meet in a common bikers heaven some day.

To each his own.

[Fenring]

Ah, yes, the America is a vast country. No contest.

But seriously, didn't someone wise and experienced once said: "Torque wins races, not power."? I think that's why the R1200S could be competitive even if it would race in SBK, depending on the type of the track it's ridden on. It would lose on long straits for sure, but there's the advantage of the late braking and excellent corner exit acceleration. I'm no track day expert, but it makes sense to me... or maybe it's just wishful thinink.

[hawkeyejohn14]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

Just a hint, don't let stock, emissions and sound restrictions on a bike determine just what you will see in race trim as your example of the CBR1000 clearly points out. We all just might be in for a plesant suprise.

That was my first thought, I don't think BMW will show up with a stock bike for WSB.

[hawkeyejohn14]

Let old throttle be.... man we start to sound like bullies when someone gets a little annoying.... try turning off the computer for a while.

I love the fact that we have brothers around the world with different ways of looking at the same thing and we share the passion for motorcycles and specifically the R****S. Let us indeed celebrate our differences.

Same goes for being a one note crooner or like a dog with a bone, let it go, your not going to change any minds.

I love this board because it rarely gets nasty. Please all of us including me, let's keep it that way...

[Dr. Curve]

So very right Hawk. Sorry T-Master for any implied slants to you or your roads. Surely we agree that BMW has really pulled this off in a grand way. A air-cooled, DOHC, radial valve, variable exhaust pressure, torque tool, that will run way on up top end.........while not taking very long to get there. No matter where we are or what the roads are like..........BMW has a SERIOUS machine coming our way. We all have a common love.........like Hawk says......."let us indeed celebrate our differences" of opinion and road choice.

[Deans BMW]

BTW, I just made the head on pic with cylinder and knee sliding on the ground my 'puter wallpaper.

I think that I would enjoy owning that bike......big time.

[Tacodog]

A whole lot of slagging of bikes that haven't even hit the dealer's showrooms. Some people need to chill.

[gigantic]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

Both Brian and Nate do a lot of racing against GSXR 600's, 750's and even 1000's lots of races against 1098's. Even the casual observer can see that R1200S's are very competitive. If you study the 24 hour Bol D Or, it is clear that the HP is extremely competitive. I would also suggest that the new HP version will be able to hold its own in the real world of aggressive mountain road riding.

I suspect strongly that riders like Dr Curve, who I have never met, and my self will not be intimidated by any bike other than an all out standing start drag race or an absolut top speed run.

let's be fair though, most of the riders of Nate or Brian's caliber are racing in the AMA, not WERA, AFM, or CCS. they're pretty much shooting fish in a barrel, especially because the other top racers in those orgs- Jeff Wood, Robert jensen, Trey Batey et al. are racing in other classes. Furthermore, until he got his mojo back at VIR, Nate was getting spanked by buells on a semi-regular basis.
you guys are really a bunch of self-congratulating, slobbering Fan Bois.

[Highlander179]

guys, lets not be moronic here. this bike doesn't even fit into the rules of WSBK, nor is it intended to. This is not a SuperBike so comparing it to them just shows you dont know the sport.
read a book before you spout about.

[YellowRacer]

Originally Posted by Highlander179

guys, lets not be moronic here. this bike doesn't even fit into the rules of WSBK, nor is it intended to. This is not a SuperBike so comparing it to them just shows you dont know the sport.
read a book before you spout about.

BMW should just start back up the boxer races... I miss them.

[Highlander179]

Originally Posted by YellowRacer

BMW should just start back up the boxer races... I miss them.

meh, its an 1200cc aircooled twin. It belongs in AMA F/X. See you in Daytona for the 200.

[YellowRacer]

Originally Posted by Highlander179

meh, its an 1200cc aircooled twin. It belongs in AMA F/X. See you in Daytona for the 200.

I'm going to try to make it... I really want to see the bike.

[Bob Hancock]

Originally Posted by Highlander179

guys, lets not be moronic here. this bike doesn't even fit into the rules of WSBK, nor is it intended to. This is not a SuperBike so comparing it to them just shows you dont know the sport.
read a book before you spout about.

George. I think I was the only moron who got confused about World SBK and Dean set me straight.....should have thought about it before I let my enthusiasm get the best of me. So, I think we all know it's not that. Evidently the 4-inline with a chain will be along for that. But we are all hoping that this new boxer will be competitive in the classes it is suited for and I think it's a pretty baby with a full set of fingers and toes. Let's celebrate for awhile...plenty of time to ruminate about the trials it will face as it moves out into the real world.
Hey gigantic. What's a fan bois? Is that good?

[EZ-RIDER]

it a cool bike and a better replacement for the R1100S

[Dr. Curve]

It is the first air-cooled twin 4 cycle engine to be built with radial valves and overhead cams, ever. Or so my research oriented memory tells me. Rudge, MV, Yamaha..........and the list get short......have made radial valve engines in recent years (since 1935) but none were twins.

I like the look of the pistons as well. Perhaps ceramic coating for their tops and the combustion head would be in order here, but the factory could offer it at the last moment. Soon ceramic valves would be required to finish the job. Lighter springs would result in increased rev limits into the 9,900 RPM range with safety, if other areas were also considered. The rods shown looked just normal, nothing fancy, so strength and lightness could be added there. The length of the rods is of interest and may be short compared to other engines in the field. This keeps total engine width down and offers a low RLR. A RLR of 1.77 perhaps....... to keep the piston a 3 ring design, instead of two, and also to offer better crank angularity in the first 90 degrees of crank movement as compared to a RLR of 1.91 or 2.2 for instance. This short rod engine design will also help along with "VEP" (variable exhaust pressure), offer great torque in the low and middle range. Note the valve sizes............33/39! Thats a lot of flow people. The radial valve design helps cylinder filling efficiency because all action becomes directed toward the center of the combustion area rather than having two side by side and parallel valves, sitting across from two others positioned the same way. Swirl-in is better and exhaust flow, less lingering........

I like the windage control vane on the end of the bottom (lower) cam sprocket and also applaud BMW to be the first to ever offer taper cut cam lobes in a motorcycle engine. Note the cam lobe toe curves. See the taper.............wild but a clever way to handle the radial design.

Single spark or multi-fire? (Single) Where does the exhaust pressure regulator flap get its information from? (TB position, RPM) Is the track of the front and rear wheel on the center line, or off a bit, as in recent years. (?) Has a slipper clutch feature been added to make down-shifting and others duties a bit easier in the rain or on looser pavement. (?)

BMW already has a 2.62 rear made for this design........how fast does that calculate out to at 9500 RPMs? (About 184mph) Have I called my dealer and told him to start the ball rolling (I prepay if necessary) YES!

What other brothers will join and commit to one of the first ones offered. I will, so lets draw others into the "first batch out" test as well. 439 pounds wet weight...................Cheers to all. D.C.

[lennie]

I DON"T CARE ABOUT HE ARGUMENTS FOR PROS AND CONS.

I WANT ONE !

GOOD JOB BMW.

[rjo]

Has anybody else noticed what looks like a composite material on the outside of the cam chain, presumably to reduce friction and wear throught the tightly turning guide?
Is this something new or am I behind the times?

[shreddr]

What is the little "black box" ahead of the exhaust cannister? If you look at the picture with the seat pan removed it appears to have a cable running to it. Have they come up with some kind of exhaust valve?

[OSM62]

Originally Posted by shreddr

Have they come up with some kind of exhaust valve?

Yes!