OT. why you shouldn't try to run

[PFFOG]

Originally Posted by Bob Hancock

Sorry mate....can't. They all moved to Australia.

Fools they should have gone to New Zealand

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by OwenM

The US has by far the greatest number of privately owned guns per head of population of any country on earth with around 90 guns per 100 people, that’s 50% more than the next down the list which is Yemen and 57% more than war torn countries like Iraq.

So what?

Originally Posted by OwenM

In comparison Germany has about 30 guns per 100 people, Australia 15.5 and the UK 5.6, of those very few are hand guns, the numbers speak for themselves.

And what do they say? We don't give a s**t what they do in other countries. You don't like guns? Good for you.

Originally Posted by OwenM

Gun owning Americans seem very touchy about this topic but it would be interesting to hear what non gun owning Americans think.

We're not touchy about our gun ownership. What we're touchy about is people in other countries inferring our society is somehow inferior to theirs because we have a 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms. Your blubbering about crime statistics involving guns has nothing to do with legal gun possession. The rider in the video that started this conversation first ran from the officer who was the wrong guy to run from because it turns out his judgement is questionable. Don't run from the police and you won't have to worry if the officer is capable of making decisions about the use of deadly force. That's it. It has nothing to do handguns, my AR or grandma's shotgun.

[Guest24]

Originally Posted by OwenM

Gun owning Americans seem very touchy about this topic but it would be interesting to hear what non gun owning Americans think.

Owen, we are touchy about our rights under the Constitution of the United States of America. The right to bare arms is only one small issue that some of our more liberal americans attack. Our biggest arguements in this country are over free speech.

[jduke]

Sorry Bob, but I'm a gun owning American and I didn't move to Australia.
I believe there needs to be tighter control on handguns. Rifles, shotguns, REAL hunting guns are okay. But this American wants zero handguns, and really don't see a need for any weapon that holds more than 3 - 5 rounds. If you can't hit your target in the first 2 or 3 shots, either they are too fast or you don't know what you're doing and don't need a weapon anyway.

[lightfighter]

you dont NEED a shotgun or a rifle . there is a grocery store down the street.

[jduke]

Originally Posted by cageyar

Another lib telling everyone what they need or don't need based on what they think. You don't want a hand gun, don't buy one. Keep your controls to yourself.
I don't give a s**t what you do-stop telling me what I can do.
Enough already with more looney left BS.

If you would take the time to actually "read" a post before you spewed off at the mouth you might not come out looking so stupid. IF you'll take the time to read my post, everything I said was MY OPINION, which is another protected Constitutional right.
Jeezzz, what a jerk.

[sgoodwin]

Originally Posted by jduke

Sorry Bob, but I'm a gun owning American and I didn't move to Australia.
I believe there needs to be tighter control on handguns. Rifles, shotguns, REAL hunting guns are okay. But this American wants zero handguns, and really don't see a need for any weapon that holds more than 3 - 5 rounds. If you can't hit your target in the first 2 or 3 shots, either they are too fast or you don't know what you're doing and don't need a weapon anyway.

The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. It is about personal protection, the ability to defend our country against foreign invasion & the ability to defend our freedom from an out of control government bent on eliminating our rights including your ability to spew your opinion. You obviously have never been in a life or death fight because if you had you would know there is no such thing as enough ammo capacity. I'm glad you live in such a safe little bubble that you will never be confronted with a crazed killer or homicidal robber or any other violent confrontation. Just maybe if that occurred someone around you might be armed & willing to save you or your loved ones as you won't be able to. You might check around & find that since concealed carry has become popular the areas this is allowed have had dramatic drops in violent crime while those with restrictive laws have seen increases. Criminals are less inclined to attack people when they know they could be armed. Simple fact is they don't want to get shot or killed.

[tm1100s]

Is this an off-topic topic?

This chatter is meaningless - until there's a need. Even my very liberal neighbors were at my doorstep when there were riots in LA.
And the rioting was a hundred miles away.

Politicians would love to make it about hunting and self-defense. They can work around that.
But it was written into our documents for a very different reason. And considering who the proponents of gun control
were over the last century, no thanks, I'll keep mine.

[jduke]

You're either a strict Constitutionalist or believe it's almost a living, growing document that defines our rights and duties from a federal system in a changing society.
If you claim to be a strict Constitutionalist, you need to read the Second Amendment. Notice the word "Militia". How many of us in this argument are in a "Militia"?

[tm1100s]

This has already been decided.

You lose.


edited: For now, anyway.

[jduke]

I lost the battle but won the war. The Supreme Court (decision made by a majority of right leaning Judges), by deciding that the actual words in the Constitution are subject to present day interpretation, is a living, growing document that takes into the decision process, current day situations.
You can't have it both ways.

[OwenM]

Wow, we have gone from gun crazy to crazy with guns.
Be afraid you could be living next to one.

[sgoodwin]

Originally Posted by OwenM

Wow, we have gone from gun crazy to crazy with guns.
Be afraid you could be living next to one.

I hope so, everyone I know who carries would be worthy of trusting my life to.

[AndrewA]

Originally Posted by jduke

Sorry Bob, but I'm a gun owning American and I didn't move to Australia.
I believe there needs to be tighter control on handguns. Rifles, shotguns, REAL hunting guns are okay. But this American wants zero handguns, and really don't see a need for any weapon that holds more than 3 - 5 rounds. If you can't hit your target in the first 2 or 3 shots, either they are too fast or you don't know what you're doing and don't need a weapon anyway.

From Rules for a Gunfight

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap - life is expensive.


...and my favorite:

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[jduke]

AndrewA - multiple shots destroy the meat. IF you're shooting for food.

[sgoodwin]

Originally Posted by jduke

AndrewA - multiple shots destroy the meat. IF you're shooting for food.

It says "Rules for a Gunfight" not cannibalism.

[roger albert]

Hey guys, debate what you want, but keep it clean.
Leave out the name calling, and defamation of members or other people.
Stick to the topic, or get either the whole topic, or possibly yourself, chucked.

[geothepencil]

My neighbor failed to read # 3 the other day and fired six shots from a snubby Detective Special at a range of 3 feet from a groundhog and missed every time. I'm surprised he admitted it to us.

geo

[tm1100s]

Originally Posted by jduke

I lost the battle but won the war. .......You can't have it both ways.

Yet, I can still buy an M1, or an M21 for that matter, and have it delivered to my door. Legally.

[jduke]

I personally don't have a problem with rifles or shotguns. My objection is to handguns.
I personally don't see why someone would need more than 3 - 5 rounds to shoot anything.