Collings Foundation B17 crashes on landing

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap

The pilots and crew who manned those planes during WWII were true heroes; God bless them all. The pussy laden society of today couldn't hold a candle to them

You think the men and women who fly F-18s are pussies?
I wouldn't know. I don't know any of them myself.

[greglepore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vJ27Q5WSg

Intital Ntsb press conference from last week. Not jet A, avgas. Plane touched down well short of runway, sheared off multiple approach lights... .

[Rickysa]

[Rickysa]

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Try flying with shrapnel coming through the thing, tracers with 3 or 4 rounds between them,coming at ya,
Fighter planes strafing.
Knowing your odds of ever making it back got worse with every mission.
If you got caught you would be killed slowly.
Men among men they were.
I just don't see today's generation being able to do it.

These planes were known for coming back (if they came back) so shot up they could not ever be flown again.

Well, we do have people like Col Bobby Efferson or Captain Kim Campbell that brought their A-10 back after having them perforated.

[flipper35]

Neither, but Col Efferson had nearly 400 holes in his aircraft and Capt Campbell lost all hydraulics. There are others I am sure, but they both hand flew the aircraft back and landed safe enough. Col Efferson apologized to the crew for not keeping the aircraft on the runway even though the gear on one side was all shot up.

[flipper35]

Capt Cambell



Col Efferson

[greglepore]

They landed way short. Feathered wrong prop?

[flipper35]

Or if it were avgas related the remaining engines may not have been producing full power.

[Sooner or later]

Just received my Collings Foundation 2020 newsletter.

The Wings of Freedom tour will continue this year. Starts today at Deland, Florida. Tampa on Monday. They have a replacement B17 under restoration and plan on having it on the Wings tour within the next two years.

Good to hear that they will continue to fly and share these historical birds.

[pmax]

Why does the FAA allow these to be flown ?

The plane must be long past expiry date.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by pmax

Why does the FAA allow these to be flown ?

The plane must be long past expiry date.

They do a complete refurb on the planes. They bought the replacement in 2015 and started the process. So they will spend 6 years or so to go through it.

They are due to have a stop at my town this year and I will be on the B25 if they show up. That will give me a trifecta with riding the B24, B25, and the crashed B17. Hell, I might even drop the 2400 to fly in the P51 for 30 minutes.

It is not often one can have a ride back in history. I won't miss the chance.

[eastbay]

The tail is still in one piece, in many wartime crashes and downings the tail gunner would be the only survivor. Nothing changes.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

They do a complete refurb on the planes. They bought the replacement in 2015 and started the process. So they will spend 6 years or so to go through it.

How many replacements of these historical birds are left ?

They are due to have a stop at my town this year and I will be on the B25 if they show up. That will give me a trifecta with riding the B24, B25, and the crashed B17. Hell, I might even drop the 2400 to fly in the P51 for 30 minutes.

It is not often one can have a ride back in history. I won't miss the chance.

Didn't know these were used for commercial activity such as paid passengers.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by pmax

Why does the FAA allow these to be flown ?

The plane must be long past expiry date.

No such thing for an airplane. One of my friends has a 1946 Cessna 140. It passes the annual with no issues after 70+ years.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by pmax

Why does the FAA allow these to be flown ?

The plane must be long past expiry date.

I soloed in a 47 taylorcraft. It’s about maintenance.

And Age is irrelevant if it was bad fuel.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by pmax

How many replacements of these historical birds are left ?



Didn't know these were used for commercial activity such as paid passengers.

The B24 is the only one still flying. There are several B17 still flight worthy. A lot of P51 still flying.

Collings, along with several other non profits, offer flights to the public. $475 for the B24 flight of about 30 minutes. B25 is $425. P51 (2 seat trainer) is 2400 for 30 minutes and 3400 for an hour. They plan on hitting over 100 cities in the 2020 tour.

You can walk about the bombers during flight. Tail to nose in the B24. You take control of the P51 and they will do aerials during the flight.

You can to a walk through the bombers while they are on the ground for $12. Not much room in any of them. A lot of ducking, crawling, and squeezing to get around.

[GH85Carrera]

Warplanes are pretty cool, but not real practical as a commercial tool. The venerable C-47 aka DC3 can be found at almost every large airport. They ares still used everyday to haul cargo and passengers.

There is not one B-52 in service today that is not way older than the pilot. Some B-52 were flown by the pilots father, and his grandfather. The newest B-52 is from 1962. There is nothing else to replace it.

[varmint]

Local air freight company runs a Curtis C-46. Every week they load it with fuel oil and groceries and fly across the inlet to the remote village. Awesome watching it take off.

[Sooner or later]

Looks like they have added a P40 Warhawk to this year's tour. You can get flights on it.

So the lineup coming fo you should include.
B24
B25
P51
P40