F1 2021 thread

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by bkreigsr

New format sux
What sez the captain and yellow peril ?

Jury is out for me, other than Alonso's storming start not much changed but that's what happens when you line up all the cars from fastest to slowest

Only difference with the sprint was no tyre management came into play which let the drivers go for it balls out

Reverse grid is just a gimmick, completely pointless as for me racing is fastest driver/car wins

Will be interesting to see what the fans and drivers thought of it

[astrochex]

Originally Posted by Noah930

IMO: P2 didn't give P1 enough space. He should have been much tighter to the apex.

I would say P1 turned in on P2. P1 had poor situational awareness. I doubt there will be any penalties regardless.

[rfuerst911sc]

To my eyes Lewis didn't hit the apex , the stewards are reviewing . I am glad Max appears to be ok.

[astrochex]

That would be a very subtle and dirty move by Lewis. I did think Max had enough room to complete the turn.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

lateral 51G is a huge crash, Max luckily walked away from that

[bkreigsr]

He did not really escape unscathed. He was woobly getting into the med vehicle and he could not focus his eyes.
BTDT

[rfuerst911sc]

10 second penalty to Lewis for avoidable contact .

[rfuerst911sc]

Impressive drive by the winner .

[ted]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Impressive drive by the winner .

Not the part of driving down the pit wall in the dirt and expecting to make a fast right hander starting from the right side with dirty slicks.
While Max was on the clean line with clean tires.
Max took a 52 G hit, so yeah impressive drive by Lewis to make a rival crash so severely.

Lewis knows how to Hammer time his rival into a wall for sure.

[URY914]

Who's fault was it?

Depends on who you want to win the title.

[chapo]

Impressive drive? You take out your competitor then use team orders to get back in front? Leclerc had the impressive drive with an ailing car.

[rfuerst911sc]

I stand by my statement , not many could receive a 10 second penalty and still win the race . I don't agree with what he did to Max and I agree he should have received the penalty . He would have caught/passed Bottas the team orders call was made so he could catch the Ferrari quicker . I am not a Lewis fan but to my eyes it was an impressive drive .

[nota]

he should have got a on the spot DQ and a 3 race bann

[Noah930]

What would a fair penalty have been?

If you were steward for the day and had to rule within the rules: no penalty/racing incident? 5 second? 10 second? Stop and go? DQ?

What if you were king for a day and could make up any penalty under the sun? Suspension as suggested by Helmut Marko?

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by Noah930

What would a fair penalty have been?

If you were steward for the day and had to rule within the rules: no penalty/racing incident? 5 second? 10 second? Stop and go? DQ?

What if you were king for a day and could make up any penalty under the sun? Suspension as suggested by Helmut Marko?

The penalty needs to accomplish something. Simply to penalize and it literally has no impact is pointless. There was no way Hammy could make that 'corner' on his line. He would have been way out of track limits on exit.

Maybe drive thru? Possibly move him to rear of grid on the restart. Seems to me he got a huge benefit by knocking out his main rival and then gets what amounted to a slap on the wrist. So much so that he was still in a position to win the race.

It was killing Martin Brundle and Damon Hill to say it was Hammy's fault. Hill finally did but he was trying very hard to not say it. Brundle and Karun just couldn't bring themselves to it.

In a way it reminds me of Canada with Seb. It is no wonder so many people believe Hammy gets preferential treatment.

Also, don't know if the stewards actually entertained comment from Toto but that should be strictly out of bounds and the race director shouldn't be telling the team bosses to go speak to stewards. If they want your input they will ask.

[GH85Carrera]

Lewis almost did the same thing to Charles. Pushed Charles completely off the track. He only avoided a crash by taking evasive actions. P1 should not have to leave the track in a ambulance once and the second P1, Charles had to avoid a maniac trying to do the same thing again.

[yellowperil]

Originally Posted by Noah930

IMO: P2 didn't give P1 enough space. He should have been much tighter to the apex.

I guess I mostly agree with the above.

Two terrific drivers, with terrific cars. These two don't mind getting their elbows out
when needed.

Hope Max recovers with no damage, and is faster than ever.

PS Actually wasn't Ham backing out when they touched.??

[stealthn]

I don’t know looked like a racing incident to me, no one mentioned Max touched him twice before the shunt. Glad he seems ok.

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

The penalty needs to accomplish something.

I totally agree, which is why I asked. And which is why I asked two slightly different questions.

Within the rules, what should a proper penalty have been? Should it make a difference if the contact knocked Max out, like it did? What if it was just a harmless spin and Max was able to rejoin, albeit down in the order? Should the potential for human injury (high speed corner, Horner says everyone knows you don't put a wheel on the inside of Copse, 51-G impact) merit consideration in the penalty? What if Max had some serious, season-ending injury or was killed? Do you think about those things when you're selecting the punishment? (I think you should.)

Should Hamilton have been DQed, because Max was knocked out of the race? (No, IMO.) Was a 10-second penalty enough? (No, IMO.) Was there a punishment available in between the two? Stop-and-go? Could the stewards really have sent him to the back of the red flag queue?

Then, in the world of what's right and fair (but not necessarily within the rules), should anything else happen to Hamilton? Suspend the guy for the next 3 races? 1 race? Dock him (and/or Mercedes) x number of championship points?

Of course, if you think this was a racing incident, then it's all a moot point.

[Rtrorkt]

VER turned in thinking that HAM would back out like he did a corner before. Seems a racing incident. No penalty should be assessed.