Tourist mini sub missing off titanic

[jyl]

We’re interested because it is unique and different.

When horrible things happen routinely, we get numb. Migrants drowning, mass shootings, etc.

Not good or bad, just human, and human = imperfect.

[unclebilly]

I saw this interview this morning… this was a Titan passenger from a 2021 dive to the Titanic. It feels like he’s holding back a bit (as a pin OceanGate investor). He speaks of being able to jettison ballast. Seems like this wasn’t possible this time, perhaps because it’s not possible or worse…

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/former-titan-passenger-speaks-on-sub-journey/#x

[john70t]

Shahzada Dawood, who is on board the missing Titanic submersible alongside his 19-year-old son, Suleman, is one of Pakistan’s wealthiest businessmen.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/shahzada-dawood-profile-one-pakistans-134034245.html
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Josh Gates, the host of Discovery’s Expedition: Unknown, revealed today that he dove in the same sub that is now missing near the wreck of Titanic. Gates said that the prospect of getting footage of the sunken ship was a “huge opportunity,” but he decided against a second voyage because the vessel, dubbed Titan, “did not perform well on my dive.”

Gates also indicated, “There’s more to the history and design of Titan that has not been made public — much of it concerning.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/expedition-unknown-host-josh-gates-214228064.html
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A CBS reporter who took a dive in the Titanic submersible said it got lost for up to 5 hours and that the mother ship shut off its internet so passengers couldn't tweet about the mishap
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cbs-reporter-took-dive-titanic-091204412.html

[bugstrider]

Originally Posted by URY914

Call Dirk Pitt. He'll get 'em out.

Yeah!
He and Al would be able to fix it with a paper clip and a toothpick.

I’m sure Summer and Dirk JR could figure something out like the time they were stuck in the hangar of that Japanese submarine.




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[Bill Douglas]

What about those poor people in Paris trapped under a pile of rubble. Involuntarily trapped under a pile of rubble. That's extra sad.

[The Synergizer]

Tragedies are endless and ongoing.
Part of being human is life and death.

[flatbutt]

The more I hear about this the more I'm thinking that you just can't recover from an accident like this. Not without a billion dollar sub.

If it were my loved one down there I'd be on tranquilizers.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

I saw this interview this morning… this was a Titan passenger from a 2021 dive to the Titanic. It feels like he’s holding back a bit (as a pin OceanGate investor). He speaks of being able to jettison ballast. Seems like this wasn’t possible this time, perhaps because it’s not possible or worse…

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/former-titan-passenger-speaks-on-sub-journey/#x

Supposedly the ballast was also designed to be automatically released after 24 hours.

“Crew members are told they can release the ballast by rocking the ship or use a pneumatic pump to knock the weights free, Newman said. If all else fails, he said, the lines securing the ballast are designed to fall apart after 24 hours to automatically send it back to the ocean’s surface.”

I’m not sure how you design lines to reliably “fall apart after 24 hours” but if that description is even sort of true, the lines should have released by now? Wouldn’t matter if the vehicle has imploded.

[jhynesrockmtn]

This story will come to its first conclusion very soon. There may be more to add to the story if the Titan is ever found. While tragic, the souls lost are the same as many others who perish daily. Locally we had two young girls shot at a music festival over the weekend by an active duty soldier who says he was tripping on mushrooms. 2 young lives cut short in mere minutes by some idiot with a convenient excuse for murder.

The story of the Titan and the CEO who many trusted, will continue. It seems like a fools errand the more you hear about the tech and many experts who pushed back against this guy Stockton Rush. The rich ego can be unstoppable. In the end, all who are on that sub are loved by their friends and families. They are the ones I feel for in this situation. A mother lost a young son.

Thinking about the conditions these folks have endured makes me shiver. The cold, lack of O2 and cramped space makes me want to spend the day outside.

Life is short. We have many examples daily.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by jyl

Wouldn’t matter if the vehicle has imploded.

If I had a friend or family member on that craft, I'd do everything to convince myself and everyone around me that this was the ultimate outcome of the mission. To believe otherwise would mean a lifetime of waking up in a cold sweat from Twilight Zone-type nightmares.

[911 Rod]

After seeing the opinions/observations of the experts I think a bunch of us Pelicans with unlimited funds and a couple of years could have built this sub.
I wonder if the passengers knew how unsafe this thing was.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

^^what a complete moron. His post wreaks of one who achieves little and begrudges those more successful. He knows nothing about them, if they’re good people or not, but assumes not. Despite their wealth it’s likely they foot more of societies bill in one year than he might in a lifetime.

Whoever wrote that needs to get out of mommies basement, get a job and contribute.

no it doesn't. it just shows that wealth worship is foolish, but you LOVE yourself some wealth worship.

there is a theory in healthcare called the bell curve of healthcare, and this is the theory that the very very wealthy and the very very poor actually both get extremely bad healthcare. this is because the poor can't afford healthcare, and the mega rich, believe the quacks, and thus get terrible healthcare too. the mega rich are so used to paying people to do "amazing" things they loose the ability to ground those amazing things in reality. they loose the ability to understand what is possible because their money warps reality.

basically, thats what is happening here. the lead engineer who was supposed to test and certify the vessel said it was a deathtrap and was fired for it. the owner/founder openly flaunts safety, brags about it even. the ship meets NO safety standards, anywhere, for any reason. it breaks fundamental rules like galvanic corrosion standards etc.

but like the healthcare bell curve ... the billionaires believed him. because they have stopped being able to understand reality, and their money has bought them out of so many problems for normal people they stop believing normal people. in this case, normal, qualified, people. who all said openly and repeatedly, this thing is a deathtrap. qualifications, not wealth, make for good decision making.

so yeah, i think a few jokes at the sub and the fools who got on board is justified. and the irony of going to graveyard of the poor, mostly 3rd class passengers, and gawking on a tourist mission, as billionaires, just make it that much more ironic. like a class analysis here is pretty choice.

[Chocaholic]

I think you have it backwards CP. it has nothing to do with wealth. It has to do with basic human compassion. Yet you seem happy to dislike and feel little sympathy for these people simply because they have wealth. Much like the moron who wrote that ridiculous piece.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

I think you have it backwards CP. it has nothing to do with wealth. It has to do with basic human compassion. Yet you seem happy to dislike and feel little sympathy for these people simply because they have wealth. Much like the moron who wrote that ridiculous piece.

eh, i have compassion. i just don't think this situation is above criticism, or humor. further criticism of the situation does not mean someone was 'jealous' of the rich. it means they were smart enough to trust well qualified experts.

it should be a life lesson. trust experts, not rich people who want to believe.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

eh, i have compassion. i just don't think this situation is above criticism, or humor.

it should be a life lesson. trust experts, not rich people who want to believe.

Thanks for confirming my point. You are happy to disregard their anguish through a horrific situation simply because they achieved great financial success in their lives. Not sure how you call that compassion.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Thanks for confirming my point. You are happy to disregard their horrific situation simply because they achieved great financial success in their lives. Not sure how you call that compassion.

thanks for missing the point.

you claimed that criticism of the situation and the people's judgement was just jealousy that they were rich. that the only people who would do this sit in their parents basements.

i merely explained why the rich seem particularly susceptible to these kinds of things, and you accuse me not having compassion. when that was never something i said, or defended in any of my posts.

swing and a miss.

trust experts above quacks, thats the lesson, and the humor, of this situation. the rich, like the ultra poor, are particularly susceptible to this kind of thing.

[HobieMarty]

Regardless of how anyone feels about this whole situation and the "wealth" of the individuals involved and the numerous errors built into the the design of the submersible, there is still, at the very core,
loss of human life and that alone is a tragic thing.

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[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

For a minute, let’s say this was a demasted sailboat drifting around on surface with 5 migrants aboard. Would the same amount of resources be allocated for the search?

Asking for a friend…

I was involved in a discussion and the cost of this operation was brought up. Tell your friend that one person (NOT me) suggested that so much is being put into this effort because those involved are wealthy and either they or their estates can reimburse some of the cost - willingly or otherwise.

[masraum]

I believe it's possible to recognize the tragedy of the loss of life of several folks, discuss the apparent foolishness of the current situation, and make jokes.

Not everyone reacts to all situations the same way. If you become serious, mournful, and/or introspective about the meaning of life, that's great. Some folks may/will make jokes. That does not mean that they are wrong or apathetic, it just means that they are wired differently. For as many people as there are in the world, there are probably that many degrees of reaction to a tragedy. And one person's reaction doesn't necessarily make them a bad person. If you react differently from someone else, it doesn't mean that you're right and they are wrong. It just means that the two of you are different.

Relax folks.

[aschen]

Originally Posted by Mahler9th

Perhaps of interest:

https://tritonsubs.com/

Interesting. There seems to be at least one certified titanic capable sub. If I had no price sensitivity and had desire to risk my life to see something I can see in high def on youtube, Id try to hitch a ride in the passenger seat of this guy.

https://tritonsubs.com/subs/gullwing/?dc=pro

Don't know anything about it but looks to not be constructed as a senior design project