Armed citizens and the police:

[masraum]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Which part? There are some states that will allow you to defend your property with lethal force, but even those have limits. For instance when I was living in TX there was a homeowner charged when he shot someone attempting to steal his car in the back when they attempted to run away.

I do believe that Texas now considers your car an extension of your castle. But don't quote me on that.

And then there's this one

The Joe Horn shooting controversy occurred on November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States, when local resident Joe Horn shot and killed two burglars outside his neighbor's home. Recordings of Horn's exchange with emergency dispatch indicated that he was asked 14 times not to interfere with the burglary, because police would soon be on scene.[1] The shootings resulted in debates regarding self-defense, castle doctrine laws, and Texas laws relating to use of deadly force to prevent or stop property crimes. The undocumented status of both burglars was highlighted because of the U.S. border controversy.[2] On June 30, 2008, Horn was cleared by a grand jury in the Pasadena shootings.

[berettafan]

Car while you’re in it or car while it’s parked on the street out front?

[Rick Lee]

In AZ you can use deadly force against someone trying to enter a car you're in. Occupied is the key word for using deadly force. You can shoot someone trying to set fire to an occupied bldg too.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

In AZ you can use deadly force against someone trying to enter a car you're in. Occupied is the key word for using deadly force. You can shoot someone trying to set fire to an occupied bldg too.

Yes, both are the same here. Also can use deadly force to defend someone else, like someone being robbed at gun or knifepoint. It’s all about a reasonable threat of bodily harm to you or someone else. Somebody trying to steal your car stereo in the driveway doesn’t count.

[oldE]

My understanding from a young age is: if you have a weapon (firearm, knife, automobile or even a club), it is your responsibility to have control over the weapon at all times. Failure to do so can have disastrous consequences.
As stated above, she was lucky not to have been killed by the officer's fire.

Best
Les

[onewhippedpuppy]

You should also attempt to de-escalate the situation if at all possible before the use of deadly force. As in, don’t pull your gun when somebody cuts you off in traffic.

[GH85Carrera]

There was a case her in Oklahoma where a pregnant lady was home alone. She heard someone kicking in her front door. She grabbed her gun, and dropped the first guy a font inside her house. She fired a second shot at the second guy just as he stepped outside and he ran about 10 feet and collapsed. She sat down and collected herself, and called 911. Both of the guys were DOA.

The police checked he gun, and returned it a week later. No charges were ever filed. Both dead low lifes had long criminal records. The local community considered her a hero.

[onewhippedpuppy]

That one sounds super straightforward Glen. No argument that she was reasonable to fear for her life.

[David]

There have been several instances of road rage shootings in Texas where one driver was shot dead by another driver. Everyone that I recall where the shooter was in legal possession of the gun, the shooter was not charged due to the castle law. I hate to type what the moral of this story is...

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

In AZ you can use deadly force against someone trying to enter a car you're in. Occupied is the key word for using deadly force. You can shoot someone trying to set fire to an occupied bldg too.

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Yes, both are the same here. Also can use deadly force to defend someone else, like someone being robbed at gun or knifepoint. It’s all about a reasonable threat of bodily harm to you or someone else. Somebody trying to steal your car stereo in the driveway doesn’t count.

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

There was a case her in Oklahoma where a pregnant lady was home alone. She heard someone kicking in her front door. She grabbed her gun, and dropped the first guy a font inside her house. She fired a second shot at the second guy just as he stepped outside and he ran about 10 feet and collapsed. She sat down and collected herself, and called 911. Both of the guys were DOA.

The police checked he gun, and returned it a week later. No charges were ever filed. Both dead low lifes had long criminal records. The local community considered her a hero.

So in other words, exactly the same as it is here in Los Angeles, CA. You can absolutely shoot someone trying to carjack you while you're in your car or someone trying to forcibly enter a domicile that you are inside of. If you go outside with your gun to confront someone, it gets murkier but you may still not get charged if the DA decides that it was a clean self-defense situation.

I listen to the LAPD scanner for western districts sometimes when I'm driving alone at night. We had a case that fits into the discussion we're having and I basically heard it go down live. A woman was at home alone or with a baby, (can't remember that detail), in a very upscale part of the Hollywood Hills. Someone was outside trying to break in so she called her husband who was not home and he called 911. She was armed and said that she would shoot the guy if he breached a door. While the cops were speeding to her code 3, (lights and sirens), the guy breached a door and she smoked him. I heard the LAPD dispatcher report the whole thing to responding officers.

It was written about in the paper and the police said that she was fully in her rights to shoot the guy and would not be arrested or charged. I feel sorry for her, it must have been traumatic.

We had another case 2 weeks ago where a guy had to shoot his own brother dead because he was choking their 80 year old mother during a violent argument. Also a legal shooting, no charges will be filed. Do you need the news articles or do you believe me?

It happens all the ****ing time.

[speeder]

Here you go, if you want to cut to the chase, go to the last paragraph:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-03-08/fatal-shooting-beverly-grove

Of course, none of this has much to do with the subject of this thread. Just some of the misinformation spread here.

[onewhippedpuppy]

I was actually agreeing with your assessment of this situation Denis, no arguments from me.

[911 Rod]

Maybe it was attempted suicide by cop?
Who would be so stupid to run outside waving a gun in this situation?

[Tobra]

It is practically impossible to get a CCW permit in LA County

[speeder]

For some reason, the quote and regular reply button are not working for me right now. I wasn't arguing with you, Matt, just posting your reply as part of the exchange. Showing that it's the same here and most everywhere. It needs to be legitimate self-defense to shoot someone and that's the way I like it. Ultimately, it's going to be up to the DA to charge or not for a shooting, based on all of the available evidence including the local laws as they are written.

"Maybe it was attempted suicide by cop?
Who would be so stupid to run outside waving a gun in this situation?"

Definitely not the case. When someone commits suicide by cop, they generally succeed. They do not fire a round and then retreat. It was unwise for her to run outside but she thought that someone very dangerous was in her yard and the "momma bear" instinct took over. She made a bad decision. She was unqualified to handle a gun in a stressful situation, in hindsight. On TV, (I'm thinking about The Sopranos), Carmela runs outside with an AK when she hears a noise on her roof. It doesn't work in real life. Stay inside.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Good thing she didn’t need more than 10 rounds!

[1990C4S]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/25/entertainment/weezer-bassist-wife-shot-lapd-videos/index.html

[Steve Carlton]

Looks like she was confused and thought the police were the hit and run suspects. No way she'll get charged with attempted murder in my opinion. Some video in this link.

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/video/lapd-releases-video-of-police-shooting-wife-of-weezers-bassist-jillian-shriner/

[DavidI]

This is a video produced by LAPD:



I can better understand this circumstances in this video. To me, Shriner exited her home into her backyard armed with a pistol, which is completely legal. It appears that she heard the helicopter and sirens of the police. CHP and LAPD teamed up in the backyard of a residence next to a location one of the suspects was previously seen.

The officers attempted to detain her at gunpoint, but according to the recorded call to LAPD following the shooting, Shriner believed the LAPD and CHP officers were the suspects. During critical incidents, it sometimes becomes extremely difficult to communicate with suspects or other officers because the helicopter is so loud, which can be heard on the officer's bodycam footage. From Shriner's perspective, she could not see the officer's uniforms because they were behind a wooden fence. On a side note, they believed they were behind "cover" and were protected by the wooden fence. However, most 9mm rounds will go right through the slats so they were actually behind "concealment." Huge difference!

After Shriner racked her Glock and pointed it toward the men (CHP and LAPD officers) and shot, they returned fire.

Based upon my very short review of the video, Shriner most likely will not be charged and the involved officer's shooting will be found to be justified by the District Attorney's Office. However, officer's tactics and the on-scene supervisor may be punished for tactical deficiencies.

The entire situation sucks for Shriner and the involved officers.

[Arizona_928]

It took a long time to identify themselves as LE…