Cops Using Tasers - This Time It's A Woman...

[island911]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
. . .. You are all great Monday morning quarterbacks, but seriously, what would you have done?

As a "trained proffesional" .... I would have toyed with her.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by island911
As a "trained proffesional" .... I would have toyed with her.

Me too. "Ma'am, put down the phone." "Kiss my arse!!" Zap. "Ma'am, please show me you driver's license and registration." "**** you!!!" Zap. "Ma'am, please get out of the car." (Sniveling) "That hurts; knock it off, shyte head!!!!" Zap. "Ma'am, quit shaking uncontrollably." No response. Zap. "Ma'am, place your hands on the dashboard." Shaking and drooling, but no response. Zap. What fun; how long does it take to recharge one of those? Would it look bad if he eventually had to run jumper cables under her hood?

[RickM]

Funny, I've never been asked to get out of the car for a speeding violation. Initially I too felt it was too much, too fast but then again if she listened she would've avoided the whole incident.

[island911]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
.. .. Zap. "Ma'am, quit shaking uncontrollably." No response. Zap. "Ma'am, place your hands on the dashboard." Shaking and drooling, but no response. Zap. What fun; how long does it take to recharge one of those? Would it look bad if he eventually had to run jumper cables under her hood?

LMAO

now what's this about "running jumper cables under her hood?" (ya kinky bastard)

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by island911
LMAO

now what's this about "running jumper cables under her hood?" (ya kinky bastard)

The hood of the CAR, island, the car... geez, and I thought I had a one-track mind...

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
A question for the nay sayers: What would you have done? Just get back in your cop car and leave because she obviously doesn't have time for you right now? Continue to plead with her and cajole her into cooporation? For how long? Give me a break. She broke the law; it his his job to stop her and talk to her about that, and possibly to ticket or arrest her. He gave her every reasonable chance to cooporate. You are all great Monday morning quarterbacks, but seriously, what would you have done?

The easy thing is to tazer her. This is a woman. Not harming herself or anyone else. Give me a break... We as a society have respect for the law (generally), but this is a fragile thing..

What would I have done? Shot her most likely. But then, I am not a cop, do not have the patience and personality to be one.

What would a well trained department do? Call for more back-up. Wait her out. Grab her phone, go through her last dozen calls and find someone to calm her down. Talk her down, whatever. The great job that most of them do every day...

You know who complains the most about over-zealous cops?? Their fellow officers. I have plenty of close friends and family that are police officers - just get them started and they all have a million stories..

[CamB]

Watch it again and count how long she is unco-operative for... must be a whole 25 seconds. She gets tazed within 15 secs of the first warning.

Seriously, this feels like the Iraq discussion all over again. I really don't feel those cops exhausted all of their peaceful options before resorting to the tazer.

[Racerbvd]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
The easy thing is to tazer her. This is a woman. Not harming herself or anyone else. Give me a break... We as a society have respect for the law (generally), but this is a fragile thing..

What would I have done? Shot her most likely. But then, I am not a cop, do not have the patience and personality to be one.

What would a well trained department do? Call for more back-up. Wait her out. Grab her phone, go through her last dozen calls and find someone to calm her down. Talk her down, whatever. The great job that most of them do every day...

You know who complains the most about over-zealous cops?? Their fellow officers. I have plenty of close friends and family that are police officers - just get them started and they all have a million stories..

What if she put the car in gear and ran the officer over??? This already happened in FL, before tasers.

[CamB]

Hazard of the job - probably why he stood to one side, and he could potentially be justified in tazing her if she reached for the gearstick.

She had a cellphone in one hand and (quite possibly) a cigarette in another. WTF was she gonna do?

[M.D. Holloway]

I put my hand on one of those battery operated fly swatters that send a curent to fry the fly - DANG! That thing freaking hurt! Choice between a Tazer and a club? Well, I've caught a bat in the sack, knee, elbow, nose and chin - that freaking fly swatter did things to my nervous system that I can't even imagine what a Tazer would do.

I'd take the clubbing...

[CamB]

I've seen Jackass - the pepper spray was the worst (the immortal "my eyes have gonorrhea" quote... and how would one know that?).

[island911]

Originally posted by Racerbvd
What if she put the car in gear and ran the officer over???

Yeah; and what if, she said:

"You have a tazer ...I have a cellphone....

"Are you open to trades?

huh? . . then what!?

[M.D. Holloway]

or what if she said:
"You have a Tazer and I have something that will daze you! Open for some negotiation? " And then she lifted her skirt and showed her....


Ut Oh, don't want to get banned...

[CarreraCab]

I think the Police treated the ***** fairly. Seems that these days, there is no concept of authority, no respect. I know there are some weird Officers out there that are impressed with themselves, but not in this case. She was warned, and asked politely by the Officer. What is there about authority that some folks just don't understand ? A simple "Yes sir" or "No Sir" would have been the proper reply, avoiding the Tasing, I think she got what she deserved. Doug

[mikester]

So - the basic consensus is that we as citizens are not entitled to question an officer of the law when we get pulled over?

If we tell him to f-off we get what we deserve? I'm not condoning that behavior but I have confronted officers in the past when pulled over.

I was pulled over once for speeding; He said I was doing 75 in a 55 when in fact my speedo said 55 and the cruise control was set. Now - granted it could have been wrong but 20mph is a big difference. So - I told him point blank - there is no way I was doing 75. Number one - I live around here and I know you guys patrol the heck out of this road so as a habit if there is no traffic I set my cruise control at 55 every single time I'm on this road and I did it this time as well. So you better have some seriously good evidence to show that I was doing 75 because if you give me this ticket I'm fighting the hell out of it. The cop asked me if I had been drinking next; of course I had not and answered as such. And of course this whole time I'm doing the right things - my dome light is on and my hands are on the steering wheel and not leaving it without checking with him first. At the same time though I was arguing the heck out of it with him. In the end he asked me to slow down and didn't write me up for anything.

I had a similar incident happen in a similar way a few years earlier when I Was a little younger and hotter headed but it went down the same way. I told him point blank that he was mistaken and I would appreciate it if he would allow me back on my way.

Just because you're pulled over doesn't mean you're guilty. Repect the cops but at the same time cops need to respect citizens because in the beginning and in the end that is who they are here to protect and serve.

this woman made a lot of mistakes - more even than the cop but a tazer is force that is likely not required to subdue her. If I were in that cop's position (yet I have no training to make this call) I would have called for backup. There are many many other options. He could have simply let her go - he's got all of her information at that point - let her go. Then get a warrant for her arrest and go get her with more than just one cop. Here in LA they have stopped chasing cars to prevent high speed chases because they are too dangerous to the public. The cops have simply choosen the battles they are willing to fight; the ones that have the value of being worth fighting. I don't know that this one was worth the tazer but I do feel that the tazer is a bit of an unknown as far as how much damage it can do to a person. We have tests on groups but how a single person is effected is an unknown - one person may be hurt more than another based on their own mind or their own physiology so while I don't totally agree with Moses I will defer to him based on his experience.

[techweenie]

You can play the 'what if' game endlessly. What if she'd had a WMD?

I dont' see anything particularly troubling in the video. For one thing, we don't know what happened before the video: was there a chase? That might explain the aggressive start. How many of us have been pulled over and immediately asked to exit the vehicle?

The cop seemed primed, but so was the driver.

What I was mostly thinking watching the vid was that the person on the other end of the cell conversation mustve been soiling his/her undies. Without the benefit of seeing what's going on, it sounds like an unprovoked shooting.

[serge944]

Originally posted by Moses
What crap. He should have taken the cellphone from her and lifted her out of the car. If she physically resists, Taze away. To use a Tazer on a small woman as a means to avoid physical contact seems thoroughly silly. I showed this video to my dad who was a 30 year Oakland cop and he felt the same way. Silly and unnecessary.

In full agreement! It was absolutely unnecessary - he should have just yanked out and pinned her on the floor.

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

Look, if a cop tells you to stop, you LISTEN. He's the one with the badge, the gun and the tazer

Stupid woman got what she deserved if she ran from the cops. If the cop was in the wrong, you file a lawsuit and provide evidence.

[Moses]

My dad told me that back in the day if that woman was stupid and disrespectful, she would have been dragged out of the car, cuffed and given a ride to the city lockup. If the cop is really annoyed, the woman gets booked for resisting arrest, interfering with the lawful duties of a police officer and a few other things. Arraignment on felony charges will not occur until the next day, at which time all felony charges are dropped. Result; Stupid woman spends a day in lockup. Cop is not accused of brutality. No lawsuit payday for stupid woman.

The Tazer turns the stupid woman into a victim and the cop into a brute. Bad idea.

[Tim Hancock]

I suppose someone can debate all day long about when a cop should use a weapon, but the bottom line is that this woman brought this on herself with her actions.

Plain and simple, if she would have cooperated she would not have been tazed.
Instead SHE chose to not cooperate. People who believe in taking responsibility for their own actions will no doubt see this clearly.

Someone stated what if it was your wife or daughter? Well, my wife and daughters would never even think of lipping off to and disobeying a police officer. If they did, they would get no pity from me.

This thread reminds me of that "poor" teenager that lipped off to, then took a swing at his bus driver.