A family member will get struck by lightning before that occurs.

Even if there were a significant accident rate with concealed firearms, that'd still not grant you a power to thwart access to a right.

You need to rethink your understanding of what a right is, only when you fully understand that, will you understand why your position tonight is untenable.

Why does it have to be hidden?
It bugs the **** out of me.

I need to call the sheriff. I need to find out about open carry here and the surrounding countys. I may start doing that.

If anyone can dig up some statistics, including concealed malfunction accidents in CCW states compared to non-CCW, along with a comparison of murders, I bet that would help.

I honestly see Kyle's point here, he does raise good points, but Kyle, it sounds like these concerns have been addressed in CCW states.

Because what I'm hearing is, one can't easily get a CCW and it sounds like gun safety classes are one of many requirements, including extensive background checks. IMO, that's way better than what was involved before CCW (you know what it took to get your license Kyle, it wasn't much....).

I think you need to look into the requirements for getting a CCW in Nebraska....to ensure your concerns are addressed.

Do some research, move to an area wherein they still significantly restrict the right to self defense. Admittedly, those areas have shrunken hugely over the last 15 years, and admittedly they're almost all high crime areas, with crime going up, but that'd be your choice.

I strongly support voting with your feet here.

I never once told you to move in all of your bush bashing posts not one time did I tell you to move.

FU

If and when Kyle asks me to furnish him data on why his family is safer now, I'd be happy to present it.

He's not doing that, instead, he's angry that the state government isn't still restricting the rights of citizens to enact their personal self defense.

Since that's the case, I'm providing little in the way of information to him.

That's true, Kyle, but you're the one wishing for government to continue restricting personal freedoms here, not me. My suggestion is to move where these personal freedoms are still restricted.

Unless you want to obtain information from me to help put your mind at ease, do you?

He's just bugged by the idea of someone hiding a gun walking down the street. I agree with you guys, but I can see his point. It is a creepy thought.

Kyle, though, I can't help but wonder how much that happens anyway.....only now there will be better safeguards in place for this.....

Actually, several studies have indicated that actual concealed carry changes very little when laws like this pass. Most who have been carrying because they perceive themselves at greater risk than the general population get the permits. I think the average in each state is from 2-4% of the population that would be eligible to get the permits actually do get them.

In short, the numbers of guns in public change very little if at all.

Not to mention having to pass the qualifications to get one....

Give him a week, he'll be getting his own CCW as well. I know him well and he is all about personal freedoms, he's just creeped out at the idea (mechanics of it, for lack of better word) itself right now.

Telling him to "leave the country" isn't going to put him at ease. That's not cool.

I took the class, passed the tests, and filled out the package. Then I never turned it in. I didn't like the idea of being on a "list" when my plates get run, etc...

So although I support the idea, it kinda pisses me off that I have to "earn"a right I thought I already had.

Also, my buddy who's an old vice cop says a ton of people carried long before they were alowed to anyway, except they were the wrong people.

Then you're already on the list. Might as well get the gun ;)

I carried for years in CA because I passed through some civilly challenged neighborhoods on the way to work, and at night or on late call backs to the OR, it just wan't safe to do otherwise. The state politicians cared little about my risks, and told me so personally.

Here's the dilemma when you do carry. You're riding along in your car, and see someone beating the bejeezus out of someone else. You have the power to stop it before someone is permanently injured, and are trained and equipped to do so. You call 911, but you see that things are getting worse by the second. WHAT DO YOU DO? Morally, you must help. There are good samaritan laws that protect me when I stop and aid someone in a car accident, as long as I don't attempt to do something outside my scope of practice.

I think we need similar laws for CCW holders.

I don't think so, I had my buddy "run" me and nothing comes up. When someone in MI has a CCP it copmes up as a red flag on their monitor. Some cops believe this makes you a good guy, some a bad guy, I prefer neither.

Looks like your state law needs changing.

Oh and I already have the gun:)

The idea was that officers would know what to expect when approaching a CCW owners vehicle and not freak if they saw a weapon or the hint of one. Also as a CCW carrier you must announce such to the officer as well as your current state of arm.

Lendaddy, I know I have gotten out of a ticket here because a cop ran my plates before he approached my car, knew I was a CCW guy and thus knew he had nothing to worry about. It was 2:00am and he was much happier to chat about my 993 than fear I might be a thug bent on killing him.

I know that theory is the most likely, but there is a faction of officers out there that resent me carrying without a badge, I really don't need that hassle.

We have it good in Fairfax Co. Cops are tough, but the ones I've dealt with are very supportive of CCW and cut us holders a little slack once in a while. Last time I was stopped while carrying, the Statie didn't even look at my permit or blink an eye when I told him I had a .45 on me. He just wrote me a speeding ticket. Staties are all business. Fairfax Co. are pretty cool.