Fastpat, I guess Sarpy County (NE) does have open carry (which Slakjaw totally and completely supports, wants, likes, without a doubt, himself owning guns and a permit......). Those at higher risk could get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. It now has been changed to all can get concealed permits.

Why does it have to be hidden for everyone? What was wrong with having to wear it on the outside?

Do you understand my question (does it make sense)? What's the benefit of passing a concealed carry law when you already have open carry laws in place? Does crime really drop (open carry going to concealed carry) or is that measuring carrying versus not carrying at all? Are there other benefits?

Again, not libertarian view, looking for a practical view.

And s_wilwerding, I just missed something...

No wonder you don't think he raises good points. You are not thoroughly reading his points. Slakjaw isn't against handguns....far from it. You're claiming he doesn't want "more handguns" it seems you are under the erroneous impression Slakjaw wants to ban guns or something. That's not his argument at all.

They have open carry laws in Sarpy County, which he wholeheartedly supports. Seems you're thinking he's against guns, but that's not his argument at all. He likes open carry, he's questioning the change to concealed carry.

If I find out that someone at the bar is packing I will call 911 and make their life hell for as long as I can. I do not care if its my best friend or someone from a BBS. Joe, I really hope that this person that was not 10 feet from me is not someone we know.

I have also not heard 1 arguement that makes me like CCW over open carry. Once I hear just 1 arguement that I see as being valid for CCW over open carry I will change my mind. Untill that point, I will fight this tooth and nail in my state. I am for open carry here, statewide.

As a side note,
disrespect will get disrespect from me every time. If you have some ****ed up comment and I come back with a ****ed up comment you should not act suprised because IMO you had it coming. I was rasied with a few things that you NEVER EVER DO. booing is one, telling someone to leave the country / move is another.

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I wonder what would have happened here if.........

The reason for concealed vs open carry.

The Sheeple are afraid of guns. Guns are scary and most people, even those here in Texas, will freak out like Slak is, when they know about the pistol.

I would far prefer open carry over concealed. It's 10 times easier. Concealed you have to make compromises. Size, position, ease of drawing.

But again, people are afraid of guns. In most of the open carry states, VA, PA, NM, AZ, NV, even CA, you do not have to have a permit or any training to carry open. Now in CA, if you open carry you will get hassled, unless you are in the rural areas.

Your point of malfunction is pretty lame. Guns do not go off by themselves. Malfunctions prevent guns from going off, not the other way around. You know this. There is no such thing as an 'accidental' discharge, only 'negligent' discharge. Someone or something has to pull the trigger. If I have a 'negligent' discharge, I am liable and will probably forfeit everything I own if someone is hit. I hope I never have to pull and use any of my firearms to protect myself or my family.

Now your 'friend' who points a sniper rifle at people. Does he have a history of mental problems or criminal problems? If he doesn't, but portrays that attitude during the class, he will be down-checked by the instructor.

Slakjaw, according to the bill, they will not be allowed to conceal carry in a bar. The law specifically states "...except...establishment having a license issued under the Nebraska Liquor Control Act that derives over one-half of its total income from the sale of alcoholic liquor..."

Here's the exceptions that I found in one section. There may be additional exceptions elsewhere....


Sec. 15. (1)(a) A permitholder may carry a concealed 1
handgun anywhere in Nebraska, except any: Police, sheriff, or 2
Nebraska State Patrol station or office; detention facility, 3
prison, or jail; courtroom or building which contains a courtroom; 4
polling place during a bona fide election; meeting of the governing 5
body of a county, public school district, municipality, or 6
other political subdivision; meeting of the Legislature or a 7
committee of the Legislature; financial institution; professional, 8
semiprofessional, or collegiate athletic event; school, school 9
grounds, school-owned vehicle, or school-sponsored activity or 10
athletic event; place of worship; emergency room or trauma center; 11
political rally or fundraiser; establishment having a license 12
issued under the Nebraska Liquor Control Act that derives over 13
one-half of its total income from the sale of alcoholic liquor; 14
place where the possession or carrying of a firearm is prohibited 15
by state or federal law; a place or premises where the person, 16
persons, entity, or entities in control of the property or employer 17
in control of the property has prohibited permitholders from 18
carrying concealed handguns into or onto the place or premises; 19
or into or onto any other place or premises where handguns are 20
prohibited by law or rule or regulation.

More on drinking:

Sec. 15. (1)(c) A permitholder shall not carry a concealed handgun 20
while he or she is consuming alcohol or while the permitholder 21
has remaining in his or her blood, urine, or breath any previously 22
consumed alcohol or any controlled substance as defined in section 23
28-401. A permitholder does not violate this subsection if the 24
controlled substance in his or her blood, urine, or breath was 25
lawfully obtained and was taken in therapeutically prescribed 1
amounts.

Here's the whole bill. I quickly glanced at it, and what I caught so far is: A safety course is required, there's a provision for mental stability, one has to renew every 5 years, having to meet required conditions again...

http://www.unicam.state.ne.us/pdf/FINAL_LB454_1.pdf

Redbeard, the "sheeple" in the context you "put it" is not a bad thing.... Imagine the recklessness of this country if no one were "sheeple" as you erroneously put it......

I wouldn't call them "sheeple". I call it common sense. You never know about others, you cannot control another's behavior, only your own, and once something comes out of that gun, you can't take it back.

Thanks for your response. And I would like to hear more about concealed versus open.

Cool, we hope he gets a permit. We would hate for him to be unable to protect you if the need ever arrises. OTOH, maybe you should get your own CCW in Nebraska...

He already has a permit, before this law passed. He could've protected me last week with his gun.

Honestly, I'm not in situations that would warrant such. I basically practice behavior that minimizes the "bad guy out to get me" thingy......(don't go to bad areas, be careful when walking alone, don't walk alone much, if I have to, be constantly aware of my surroundings, self defense techniques.)

Not to mention, someone having a CCW is no guarantee they will "protect me." Thanks, but I'd rather not rely on the actions of others (no slight to Slakjaw specifically, actually I know he'd defend me gun or no gun, I'm talking strangers). Who knows, maybe someone with that open carry would while that concealed would walk away, maybe he doesn't want to get involved, no one knows he has it, who would know better anyway???...

To me, concealed doesn't provide any more safety or protection than open does.

Again, you're asking me to supply a utilitarian rationale to support concealed carry. That's not an appropriate question, because it suggests you think someone needs to support how they utilize their right to self defense.

Personally, it matters little to me where one straps on a handgun, open or concealed, because they're no threat to me. I don't care who owns a machine gun either, nor grenade launcher, or any other weapon. They just don't frighten me.

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CC,

Aside from the comments that Red has made, and they are all excellent and valid, one other reason for concealed carry is for the ladies.

How many women do you know who carry a pistol in their purse? I know quite a few and while one or two of them are LE, the rest are doing it illegally to protect themselves. With a CCW they can legally carry a pistol in their purse and feel a bit safer, and be legal while doing it. Most if not all of the women BTW do not want to strap a holster on and carry on the outside.

Slak, guess you will just have to keep wondering about when and where someone was carrying in your presence. Do not threaten me with comments like this: Joe, I really hope that this person that was not 10 feet from me is not someone we know.

Regarding your comment on the "one good argument and I will change my mind," well at this point after seeing your comments its not worth my wasting any further time on this thread. You have already made your mind up using reasons that have little or no basis in fact.

Just remember that now almost every where you go, the grocery store, cinema, almost every resturant, park and so on now people there may be armed and ready to protect themselves. Sad that you do not understand that restoring their rights to do so is a good thing.

Joe, thanks, that's a good point. I'm trying to focus the convo away from guns/no guns which everyone else was arguing against (that wasn't Slakjaw's point, he agrees with open carry), to discuss open versus concealed, because I agree with this law, I basically hold Fastpat's reasoning, but Slakjaw does have a good point! I think fastpat's point outweighs Slakjaw's, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a point at all! The argument shared by a couple since has little weight as to me, concealed versus open does not provide any additional protection to me, except for the lady's point.

And I agree, quit "wasting your time in this thread" if all you're going to do is pick a fight, you started it Joe. Picking fights accomplishes nothing.

Anyone who wants an up close look at how safe folks are where no one carries, just come visit DC. I'll show you the city with the highest number of LEO per capita and one of the highest gun violence rates in the country - all in a city where all handguns are banned. Then we can head across the bridge to VA in real America, where there are exponentially more guns and less crime.

25 Maryland delegates have cosponsored a bill to establish shall issue for women, while retaining may issue for men.

It's an interesting approach. Generally, sexual discrimination is subject to some level of review greater than rational basis and less than strict scrutiny. It wouldn't be hard to find data establishing that women are victims of violent crime more often than are men, in proportion to the population of each. They are also less likely to be perpetrators, but that's not so relevant to the bill since the screening process is the same for both sexes -- it just provides that men must prove a need for self defense, whereas women need only show they want it for self defense.

That's not the discussion Rick. The discussion is

open carry

versus

concealed carry



open carry

versus

concealed carry



NOT no guns versus guns

It was the issue several pages ago. I'd take open or concealed - just something in DC. In VA I can do both. In DC and MD I can do neither and VA is MUCH safer for it.

So, what kind of permit does he have? CCW permits didn't exist in Nebraska. A permit to own a gun? Most states you don't need a permit to own a gun. You don't need a permit to own a gun in Texas.

Oh I hear ya. I'm in Chicago and I feel your pain.

And Kyle didn't friggin articulate well, I know him, that's why I knew what he meant, but I agree, it sounded like he was anti-gun or something.

I believe the permit is to own a gun. He was allowed to open carry this gun in Sarpy County.