My Son Asked “Dad, whats Abortion?”

[trekkor]

The question, "why do women have abortions?", has a very simple answer.


To get rid of unwanted children.


KT

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by trekkor
The question, "why do women have abortions?", has a very simple answer.


To get rid of unwanted children.


KT

What do liberals have to hide?...Why don't they just be candid and truthful?...(rhetorical question)...The practice is so ugly and abhorent that the left MUST redefine and falsely package it.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Todd, why do you play these games?...Lets cut the bull...The taking of an innocent life is not the same as taking the life of a murderer.

why not? That doesn't sound very new testament of you...

[Eldorado]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
...

care to address my point?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
why not? That doesn't sound very new testament of you...

Is there a lesbian feminist version that has Jesus advocating murdering a child en utero?

[trekkor]

What an Unborn Baby Feels

How does it feel to an unborn baby to be nestled securely in the warmth of its mother’s womb and then suddenly be assaulted with deadly force? We can only imagine, for the story will never be told firsthand.

Most abortions are performed in the first 12 weeks of life. By this stage the tiny fetus practices breathing and swallowing, and its heart is beating. It can curl its tiny toes, make a fist, turn flips in its watery world—and feel pain.

Many fetuses are wrenched from the womb and sucked into a jar by a vacuum tube with a sharp edge. The procedure is called vacuum aspiration. The powerful suction tears the tiny body apart. Other babies are aborted by dilation and curettage, a loop-shaped knife scraping the lining of the womb, slicing the infant to pieces.

Fetuses older than 16 weeks may die by the saline abortion, or salt poisoning, method. A long needle pierces the bag of waters, withdraws some of the amniotic fluid, and replaces it with a concentrated salt solution. As the baby swallows and breathes, filling its delicate lungs with the toxic solution, it struggles and convulses. The caustic effect of the poison burns away the top layer of skin, leaving it raw and shriveled. Its brain may begin to hemorrhage. A painful death may come in hours, though occasionally when labor begins a day or so later, a live but dying baby is delivered.

If the baby is too developed to be killed by these or similar methods, one option remains—hysterotomy, a cesarean section with a twist, ending life instead of saving it. The mother’s abdomen is opened surgically, and almost always a live baby is pulled out. It may even cry. But it must be left to die. Some are deliberately killed by smothering, drowning, and in other ways.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Eldorado
care to address my point?

The point equating unborn human boys and girls with plant life and edible animals?

[trekkor]

What a Doctor Feels

For centuries physicians have embraced the values expressed in the venerated Hippocratic oath, which says in part: “To none will I give a deadly drug, even if solicited, nor offer counsel to such an end, and no woman will I give a destructive suppository [to produce abortion], but guiltless and hallowed will I keep my art.”

What ethical wrestlings confront doctors who terminate life in the womb? Dr._George Flesh describes it this way: “My first abortions, as an intern and resident, caused me no emotional distress. ._._. My discontent began after many hundreds of abortions. ._._. Why did I change? Early in my practice, a married couple came to me and requested an abortion. Because the patient’s cervix was rigid, I was unable to_dilate it to perform the_procedure. I asked her_to return in a week, when the cervix would be softer. The couple returned and told me that they had changed their minds. I delivered their baby seven months later.

“Years later, I played with little Jeffrey in the pool at the tennis club where his parents and I were members. He was happy and beautiful. I was horrified to think that only a technical obstacle had prevented me from terminating Jeffrey’s potential life. ._._. I believe that tearing a developed fetus apart, limb from limb, simply at the mother’s request, is an act of depravity that society should not permit.”

A nurse who stopped assisting with abortions told about her job in an abortion clinic: “One of our jobs was to count the parts. ._._. If the girl goes home with pieces of the baby still in her uterus, there can be serious problems. I’d take the parts and go through them to make sure there were two arms, two legs, a torso, a head. ._._. I have four children. ._._. There was a huge conflict between my professional life and my personal life that I couldn’t reconcile. ._._. Abortion is a hard business.”

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Is there a lesbian feminist version that has Jesus advocating murdering a child en utero?

no...as usual you're avoiding the point and instead tossing around terms like "lesbian", "feminist", etc.

If murder is wrong, it is wrong for the innocent and the guilty. Or is murder only wrong in certain circumstances?

[Mulhollanddose]

Main Entry: 1mur·der
Pronunciation: 'm&r-d&r
Function: noun
Etymology: partly from Middle English murther, from Old English morthor; partly from Middle English murdre, from Old French, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English morthor; akin to Old High German mord murder, Latin mort-, mors death, mori to die, mortuus dead, Greek brotos mortal
1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
2 a : something very difficult or dangerous b : something outrageous or blameworthy

[Eldorado]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
The point equating unborn human boys and girls with plant life and edible animals?

that would be the one, yea..
among the other points mentioned...

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Eldorado
that would be the one, yea..
among the other points mentioned...

I don't mind fuk myself with claptrap like moral equivalence and stupid thoughts like "what is truth?"

[Eldorado]

hey, gotta pay the piper if you wanna dance.
still waiting...

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Eldorado
hey, gotta pay the piper if you wanna dance.
still waiting...

In this game, you are playing with yourself...I am out.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Who says fetuses aren't edible?

It cracks me up how those on the so-called "pro-life" side of the debate always ask "why". Does it really matter? As I see it, there is no "why". It's irrelevant to the discussion.

It similarly cracks me up how those on the so-called "pro-choice" side of the debate get suckered by this question. As I said, it doesn't matter and ultimately bears no relevance to the discussion.

For those that think it's murder from the moment of conception on, there is no reason "why" that would matter. So why (no pun) do they ask the question at all? Answer - it's simply because it forces the other side to admit something that's distasteful and they feel this will somehow be a concession. The reality is - it isn't a concession nor is it some kind of "victory" for the pro-lifers for a pro-choice person to admit, "yes, in most cases an abortion is to do away with an unwanted child". So what? So does adoption. So does child abandonment. So does infanticide. So does (to a lesser extent) sending one's kid off to boarding school or never spending time with them.

I don't LIKE the idea of abortion, but I certainly see how it could be deemed necessary. Ultimately my opinion doesn't matter anyway since I happen to have a pair of balls hanging between my legs. The decision is solely and exclusively between the woman, her doctor and her own conscience/sense of morality. Nothing else matters.

If life is so precious, then where is the value of the the life of that poor, scared, incapable girl that will be irrevocably changed and ruined? Think of an otherwise bright, outgoing, well-liked girl with her whole life ahead of her that gets pregnant due to whatever reason (like I said, the "why" doesn't matter) - momentary youthful indiscretion, rape, incest, whatever. Where's the value of HER life and HER potential on the part of those that would force her (at gunpoint, presumably) to carry to term? What's the value of HER contributions to society? Why should we take someone that might otherwise be a great scientist, great business or civic leader, musician, artist, whatever and reduce them to being a "baby factory", condemned to live in day-to-day subsistance forever more because a bunch of testicle-packin' yahoos say she's got the wrong biology? This position is idiotic and devoid of scholarship when one cuts right to it.

No question - if it was ever MY daughter that came to me in this situation and realized her life would be ruined by it and wanted "out", I'd not only support her, I'd take her to have it done and pay for it if necessary. It's HER decision - not mine (as I believe I've said).

[Eldorado]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
In this game, you are playing with yourself...I am out.

I dont understand how you can justify killing any number of living, breathing animals out of ZERO necessity, whether it be for clothes or food... and then take the stance that you do on abortion...

not to mention all the other points i brought up (ok, cutting down a tree was a bit of a stretch, but use it as a metaphor for how rediculous all this is).

[dd74]

Originally posted by Eldorado
I dont understand how you can justify killing any number of living, breathing animals out of ZERO necessity, whether it be for clothes or food... and then take the stance that you do on abortion...

Yep. That's part of what makes the whole argument on this subject presented by the religious right so utterly weak.

Maybe if someone told them God spelled backward is Dog...

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I don't mind fuk myself with claptrap like moral equivalence and stupid thoughts like "what is truth?"

hmm...you might want to try it sometime instead of depending on Ms. Coulter to tell you what "truth" is...

[techweenie]

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
OK, as this applies to an abortion debate, I'm with you there and get your point. Whether or not something is legal (drinking milk) or illegal (shooting neighbor) you can still chose to do it.



Still with you there - your choices can possibly have consequences, such as being arrested and jailed if you shoot your neighbor.



Now you lost me. Are you simply presuming the correctness of your view of the subject of the debate? I.e., presuming that access to an abortion is of the same obviousness as access to basic necessities such as cars and milk, or a specific constitutional right (right to bear arms)? So simply presuming that if the right to abortion is taken away, that's an overstepping of govt power?

That's not an argument for your position, that's simply an unsupported statement of your conclusion.

Not true if you accept the implicit guarantee of privacy in the constitution.

[trekkor]

Since my last post 12060 babies have been shredded...


KT