What happened to the Mulholland "King of the Hill" RSR?

[TRE Cup]

Yeah! That's just the way I remember it Jeff- just like that




thanks

[Jeff Hail]

When the gate at Bowmont went up the end was near. That gate is evil.




Bowmont facing Grandstands (at least whats left of Grandstands)




Not a car in sight adding to the mystery of Mulholland Drive

[DUK]

Jeff, Could you show us which corners are which? It would help to understand some of the stories if we knew what the corners look like.

[Jeff Hail]

Originally posted by TRE Cup
Yeah! That's just the way I remember it Jeff- just like that




thanks

Maybe because we dream and recollect in black and white Dave ??

[Jeff Hail]

Originally posted by DARISC
Nice trick photography - if only such a sublime and perfect road ever really existed ()

No trick photography. Just black and white. Ask anyone on this thread. This is how the road really is on Mulholland Drive.

[SSB]

Good eye !! You've caught allot of the more subtle undulations that gave/gives the road so much character. Like, even Sunday night when I went across west bound, last turn through the mini-esses. It's banked at it's exit and one can really hook it through there. But one has to know that, as it is not visible on the approach (saw one P-car takin' a line east bound). That's the real mix one had to deal with. Takin' a line where there could be oncoming yet leaving an exit (may not be pretty). We've all said the same things here. But THAT is the exact element we all took from Mulholland to the track. "To finish first one must first finish"

There has been some truly great things written here and I hope those across the country are "living vicariously" through the thread .

ps: Anybody notice that spell check says Mulholland is Malevolent??

[DARISC]

I posted in jest - love this thread and your great B&W photos! Color can be the great seductress - but we dream in black and white. Maybe that has to do with the wonderful impact and quality of your great photos. Thanks.

[lfot]

Whatever happened to the "write a script and make a movie" idea much earlier in this thread? Is someone secretly working on it?

[Jeff Hail]

Originally posted by Jeff Hail


Looking towards the dropoff at Carls from Grandstands. Sometimes known as the rubble pile. If you didnt get your car cabled out in a hurry it was "Pick Your Part"


150mm Telephoto. Reach out and touch it a quarter mile away.

Look a "Dusk til Dawn" sign over the side!!!!!

[DARISC]

Or a coffee table book of B&W's, w/o cars in the pictures as you've posted - maybe titled "Mulholland Drive - Your Car Here"?

[Jeff Hail]

Originally posted by Duke Zink
Jeff, Could you show us which corners are which? It would help to understand some of the stories if we knew what the corners look like.

went back, edited with legends

[Jeff Hail]

Originally posted by lfot
Whatever happened to the "write a script and make a movie" idea much earlier in this thread? Is someone secretly working on it?

Capitol One- "Whats in your wallet??
Ok who wants to be the producer?

[SSB]

I have this visual of MM chasing his mothers hub caps across mulholland. Yet I know exactly what he went through as my mother once said to me "how come my new car ("74 Chevy Caprice Wagon) rattles so much? To which I quickly went out and nearly flattened the tires) !!! She said, "much better now, but it corners strangely."

[Jeff Hail]

Originally posted by SSB
I have this visual of MM chasing his mothers hub caps across mulholland. Yet I know exactly what he went through as my mother once said to me "how come my new car ("74 Chevy Caprice Wagon) rattles so much? To which I quickly went out and nearly flattened the tires) !!! She said, "much better now, but it corners strangely."

That is funny. How many young folks borrowed Mom and Dads car to go up to Mulholland? I did many time's in between down time with my own cars. I guess I should be asking how many of our parents cars came back from Mulholland with a "story" attached to it. Hummmmmmmm....a lot

I picture BIG American cars like Buick's, Cadillacs, Pontiac's, Custom Cruisers and Country Squire wagons.....
1) Hubcaps missing
2) Tires with rounded or cupped outside tread blocks.
3) Bent wheels
4) 3/4 of a tank of gas gone awol (really poor mileage!!!)
4) Burning smells
5) Kleenex box's crushed by feet
6) Items in trunk relocated by inertia
6) Headlamps mysteriously aimed high

on and on and on..........

If they only knew?

[CRE]

Originally posted by Jeff Hail
Mulholland just north/ west of Grandstands going towards Coldwater Cyn


Facing Grandstands from Bowmont


The stretch before Grandstands

JEFF, AWESOME PHOTOS. YES THE BLACK AND WHITE ADDS THE RIGHT BIT OF FLAVOR. BECAUSE AT NIGHT AND DUSK THE COLORS TEND TO FADE AWAY. LOOKS LIKE THE SAME OLD PLACE
THE WEEDS HAVE GROWN TALLER AND THEY'VE ADDED A FEW NEW GUARD RAILS HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT'S THE TRAINING GROUND!

THANKS FOR THE EFFORT TO TAKE SOME EXCELLENT PHOTOS THAT REALLY CAPTURE THE ESSENSE OF THE PLACE.

CRE

[CRE]

Originally posted by Jeff Hail
That is funny. How many young folks borrowed Mom and Dads car to go up to Mulholland? I did many time's in between down time with my own cars. I guess I should be asking how many of our parents cars came back from Mulholland with a "story" attached to it. Hummmmmmmm....a lot

I picture BIG American cars like Buick's, Cadillacs, Pontiac's, Custom Cruisers and Country Squire wagons.....
1) Hubcaps missing
2) Tires with rounded or cupped outside tread blocks.
3) Bent wheels
4) 3/4 of a tank of gas gone awol (really poor mileage!!!)
4) Burning smells
5) Kleenex box's crushed by feet
6) Items in trunk relocated by inertia
6) Headlamps mysteriously aimed high

on and on and on..........

ABSOLUTELY! I HAD MY OWN CAR BY THE TIME I DISCOVERED MULHOLLAND. BUT BEFORE I COULD AFFORD A CAR WE LIVED ON THE PRESIDO ARMY POST IN SAN FRANCISCO. ( GREAT ROADS IF YOU'RE EVER IN S.F. DRIVE THROUGH SOME TIME). I TOO WOULD PUSH THE 4,000 LB PONTIAC OUT OF THE GARAGE COAST DOWN A STEEP HILL STOPPING THE BEAST WITHOUT THE ENGINE AND PWR STREERING OR PWR BRAKES WORKING AT THE BOTTOM BEFORE FIRING IT UP. WE'D JOY RIDE AROUND S.F. AND ROAD RACE AROUND THE PRESIDIO. -- IF ONE COULD ACTUALLY CALL FLOGGING A 62 PONTIAC CATALINA AROUND TIGHT CORNERS ROAD RACING. HA, HA. DID LEARN ABOUT MASSIVE UNDERSTEER IN THAT CAR. FOUND IT DIDNT AGREE WITH ME. I NEVER THOUGHT TO LOOK IN THE TRUCK OR BACK SEAT TO SEE IF 'STUFF' BECAME RE-ARRANGED. LOL FOLKS NEVER MADE MENTION OF IT OR THEIR EXCESSIVELY WORN OUT FRONT TIRES. HMMMM. THINK THEY ALREADY KNEW?

If they only knew?

[SSB]

Originally posted by Jeff Hail
That is funny. How many young folks borrowed Mom and Dads car to go up to Mulholland? I did many time's in between down time with my own cars. I guess I should be asking how many of our parents cars came back from Mulholland with a "story" attached to it. Hummmmmmmm....a lot

I picture BIG American cars like Buick's, Cadillacs, Pontiac's, Custom Cruisers and Country Squire wagons.....
1) Hubcaps missing
2) Tires with rounded or cupped outside tread blocks.
3) Bent wheels
4) 3/4 of a tank of gas gone awol (really poor mileage!!!)
4) Burning smells
5) Kleenex box's crushed by feet
6) Items in trunk relocated by inertia
6) Headlamps mysteriously aimed high

on and on and on..........

If they only knew?

Oh my god, I haven't laughed that hard and long for as long as I can remember. I'm crying ! Can you imagine how mad we'd be if our kids did that to OUR cars ???

Mom was a good sport however. I came back from a P-car time trial at Curly Prices Speedrome outside Las Vegas, where I entered her '75 454 Kingswood Estate wagon. While I beat all of the 4 cylinder P-cars and half of the 6 cylinder P-cars (ask Carl Young) I brought the car back with 4 cracked wheels, 4 warped brakes, the tires were worn down to the lettering and the trans, engine and diff all failed shortly thereafter (R.I.Pieces). The car was eventually bought back from the next owner under the "Lemon Law" and crushed.

[SSB]

Originally posted by Duke Zink
Quoted from SSB:
Hmmmm, I alway thought Pearson had the altitude record at Laguna. Maybe Mitchell does?

I tried to knock down the tire wall at "old" 4 in the Reno Cup race. aka Salinas off ramp. First lap, I dive to the inside, find Joe Vardi's oil (how come everybody knew that but me?) Went straight into the tire wall, pirouetted and came back down, put into gear and took off up the hill. The corner worker called it in as a "roll & continue" because from his vantage point across the track, he saw the cars top and bottom..

So, lets see, turns 2, 3 & 4. Anybody ugly up the corkscrew??


SSB, Would this be the same Joe V. who works with the Amick's here in NC? If so, he's still known to spill a little oil every once in a while. I did some races with him a few years back and helped build some Motec stuff for him. Great guy though, just wish he would stand up when I'm talking to him. LOL. Btw Thanx for all the great history lessons here.

Ya, ask him to stand up, then see if he remembers that BMW 320 at Laguna "we'all" put together at TurboTech in North Hollywood for the RS IMSA race?

And what happened to "Fat Dancer?"

[Jeff Hail]

Originally posted by CRE

Massive understeer was an understatement in those big cars.
No matter how much air pressure I always pictured those General
balloons running curves on the sidewalls. Funny how the lettering on those tires was always worndown.

It was a great lesson in learning "throttle steer". I used to shift the TurboHydro manually. That thing was corked so tight all you could hear was "BUHWUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" when I got on it.

74' Coupe De Ville with curb feelers. 501 cubic inches of massive understeer. Hilarious: Priceless

[jwetering]

Originally posted by SSB
....There has been some truly great things written here and I hope those across the country are "living vicariously" through the thread .

I'm 41 years old now and grew up thousands of miles to the north. I saw the King of the Mountain movie when I was a kid, but until I read this thread (or part of it anyway) I didn't appreciate what it was all about.

I'm frankly in awe, and completely envious of the experiences some of you had growing up. I can't imagine going through that without being affacted deeply, as is obvious some of you have been.

My brother used to hang out at the 1/4 mile strip with his buddies, but I never got the chance. The eighties hit and things went all disco nd new wave, and there were very few gearhead types of my age, especially in the town where I grew up. I'm lucky I became a gearhead in fact, the odds were against me.

Will it ever be like that again?

You guys rock.