747 Breaks in half during takeoff

[Normy]

Originally Posted by Nicole

Hot Redheads.

You behave-

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[Nicole]

Originally Posted by Normy

You behave-

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For once I wil give it a try...

Promised.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Nicole

For once I wil give it a try...

Promised.

Weekend is over now. You can be yourself again for a few days!

[charleskieffner]

do ya think hes gonna be under the NTSB/FAA's MICROSCOPE???? i'll venture this will cost him more than what that plane was worth new when its all said and done.

funny how being CHEAP seems to bite pilots/owners in the ass in SPADES each and every time!

ahem dear mr kalitta we'd like to see all yer maint records for ALL OF YER PLANES...............$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ X $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! hahahahahaha

[Joeaksa]

One of the guys at my Memorial Day BBQ was a FAA guy. Very interesting discussions about this carrier. He at one time worked in that part of the country and had some exposure to the company. He would not tell us any details but suffice to say that Connie and the gang who run the place sure seem to spend more time getting around the rules than it would take to just do it right!

[charleskieffner]

even I have heard of their reputation based here at a private airport from pilots that live part of the year in alaska.

word of that kind of maint. reputation travels fast!!!!!!!!!

oh well looks like hes gonna be taking care of things for awhile now!


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!

[Joeaksa]

Just out on the AvWeb

Engine fire may have preceded Kalitta 747 aborted takeoff and crash, according to a report by Flight International. Air traffic controllers have reported seeing a fire in one of the aircraft's two starboard engines during the takeoff sequence.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1134-full.html#198018

[svandamme]

news reports in Belgium mentioned an arguement between the 2 pilots
one wanted to abort, the other wanted to complete the take off...

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?ArticleID=H71SL042

[air-cool-me]

the grape vine says:

PM declared quite loudly..."v1" after V1 heard loud bangs..(compressor stalls) PF decided to abort after V1...
when conducting abort used only wheel brakes and no reverse.. spoilers were not deployed. wheel brakes dont work so well (at high speeds) without the spoilers deployed because some of the weight is off the wheels(lift produced by the wing).

Im pretty sure the spoilers automatically deploy in an abort when thrust levers go into reverse ?

abort after V1+ no reverse thrust+ no spoilers = good chance your going 4x4ing

[Jeff Higgins]

Nick, you are assuming all of that stuff actually works on a Kalitta Air airplane.

[Joeaksa]

Its been years since I had any time in a "whale" but the bird I am flying now the spoilers are automatic on landing if they are armed and everything is working right. Believe that the -742 is the same but its not automatic on an abort. There is no connection with the TR's and spoilers that I know of. Totally independent systems.

We deploy them manually anyway just in case the auto system does not work so I would be really surprised if the PF did not get them out.

If this situation above is true, and right now its not official... aborting after V1 is rarely done and even more rarely done successfully. You really need spoilers in any abort as it "glues" the plane down to the runway so you can get max braking and slow it down.

Lets wait and see when we get more data from the powers that be...

[KevinP73]

It's sometimes hard to follow the story if one is not up on all the acronyms. What is "PF"??

[svandamme]

i think it's FP spelt backwards, First Pilot ?

[KevinP73]

That makes sense ('cept for the spelling it backwards parts) I was thinking it stood for "F***ed Person", as in person responsible for the plane getting effed up, or the status of someones career after the crash.

[KevinP73]

That raises another question. What happens to a pilots marketability after an incident like this? Is he better off hangin up his hat or could he expect to still be employable with another airlines if he tried?

[tcar]

Depends what happened. We don't know yet.

If it's not pilot error...

[svandamme]

there was a hardware failure just at the right time
root cause , is still hardware

you can applaud a pilot for saving the day if he does so

but i don't think they can blame him for the failure to begin with, (unless off course he did something to trigger it, like i dunno , putting the throttle on idle instead of wot... but i assume this was a genuine hardware failure...)

[BlueSideUp]

PF stands for pilot flying. Contrary to what a lot of people think the captain generally does not fly every leg. Who gets to fly is up to the captain's discretion, normally you swap legs or swap round trips between the captain and first officer. Of course the captain is always responsible for the airplane no matter who is flying. If the first officer (FO) is suffering from a case of rectal cranial inversion the captain might fly all of the legs.

[BlueSideUp]

PF stands for pilot flying. Contrary to what a lot of people think the captain generally does not fly every leg. Who gets to fly is up to the captain's discretion, normally you swap legs or swap round trips between the captain and first officer. Of course the captain is always responsible for the airplane no matter who is flying. If the first officer (FO) is suffering from a case of rectal cranial inversion the captain might fly all of the legs.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by KevinP73

It's sometimes hard to follow the story if one is not up on all the acronyms. What is "PF"??

Sorry about that...

As Blue said, PF is Pilot Flying.

PNF is Pilot not flying. This can be the captain or the copilot.

FE is flight engineer. The 747-200 still has a flight engineer.

PIC is Pilot in Command (the captain)
SIC is Second in Command (the copilot)