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TX to execute Mexican citizen, wrong?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5919299.html

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Despite calls for delay, Mexican citizen set for execution

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals has dealt capital killer Jose Medellin a major setback in his bid to escape the executioner's needle, throwing out his bid for a post-conviction writ of habeas corpus and his motion for a stay.

Medellin, 33, convicted in the 1993 rape-murder of Jennifer Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Pena, 16, still has motions for stays pending with the U.S. Supreme Court and the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles.

He is scheduled to be put to death Tuesday.

Medellin's attorneys could not be reached for comment Friday.

Medellin, a Mexican national, had filed his appeal based on arguments that Houston police deprived him of his right to contact the Mexican consulate after his arrest. The right is guaranteed by the United Nation's Vienna Convention of Consular Relations, to which the United States is a party.

Last month, the UN's world court ordered Medellin be granted a stay so that a hearing could be held on whether that violation damaged his defense.

Texas authorities responded that Medellin was not informed of his UN rights because he did not identify himself as a Mexican citizen. Thus far, they have resisted pressure from President Bush and other U.S. officials to comply with the world court order.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5919299.html

So, the gist is that 2 girls, 14 and 16, were walking home after a party. They accidentally stumbled upon a drunken gang initiation. They were then gang raped. Afterward the gang leader said that they had to be killed. So the gang strangled them.

Texas has already killed one gang member. I think the rest are either in for a long time or on death row. At least one of them is a Mexican citizen (ie Illegal alien), and now everyone is saying that we can't execute. One the one hand, I'm all for the execution, but at the same time I think this could end up being bad for US citizens abroad. Other countries would think that they had the ok to do whatever they want to US citizens.

What do you guys think?

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Boo hoo. He came to the U.S. and committed the crime, now he can face the penalty.
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They should turn him over to the Ertman girls father. I have seen him interviewed. I think he could hand out some Texas justice.
Seriously, the UN court does not matter in this case.
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Other countries do whatever they like with US citizens right now!

That's why I stopped trafficking heroin out of Budapest years ago.
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In what possible way could someone argue that he shouldn't be executed. If I ever find myself illegally in Switzerland in a US gang and doing an illegal US gang initiation and decide to rape and strangle to girls who are 14 and 16, I should be executed.
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TX to execute Mexican citizen, wrong?

Hell yes it's wrong. Texas is slacking. That should read: TX HAS executed POS. Carry on.
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I think Texas should wait until Fox agrees to carry it on O'Reilly ,, I personally would like to see the SOB's fry!!!!
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Screw the U.N. That's a technicality anyway. It's not like Mexico has done a helluva lot for us anyway other than dump their trash into our country. The guy committed a capital crime, face the (mariachi) music.
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I would Rick Lee him first, then execute him.
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Make a TACO out of him, fry the MOFO!!

You come to this country and kill somebody, tough s---!!
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Execute the POS!

That said, what precedent does it set if say you were convicted of some odd crime in Saudi Arabia (like looking at a woman the wrong way, just made that one up)? I would hope that we could appeal to our gov't for help. Although we can't compare the two crimes.
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I would Rick Lee him first, then execute him.
I'm flattered. Yes, the true injustice here is that we can't get medieval on his a$s before killing him. I'm thinking the Judas Cradle would be just right for this POS.
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I'm thinking the Judas Cradle would be just right for this POS.
Holy Sheik (see Bugatti thread)... that would be a horrible way to go. Ouch!
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Geeze, Rick...and I was only thinking of feeding him to Texas wild hogs...
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Holy Sheik (see Bugatti thread)... that would be a horrible way to go. Ouch!
I saw one of these in a torture museum in Amsterdam and also a documentary on them a few weeks ago. Just unreal.

The hog/feet scenes in Hannibal and Rambo IV would be just fine for this POS too. I might even go after his family so he can watch them suffer as well.
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If I ever find myself illegally in Switzerland in a US gang and doing an illegal US gang initiation and decide to rape and strangle to girls who are 14 and 16, I should be executed.
In Switzerland? You'd end up in a comfortable clinic for a few years, playing bridge and shuffleboard, while some psychiatrists probed the childhood traumas that led to your aberrant behavior. Then you'd be released, with an air ticket home and a thousand Francs spending money.
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In Switzerland? You'd end up in a comfortable clinic for a few years, playing bridge and shuffleboard, while some psychiatrists probed the childhood traumas that led to your aberrant behavior. Then you'd be released, with an air ticket home and a thousand Francs spending money.
A friend who once lived in Switzerland once said that if you had an affair with a Swiss bank president's wife, he'd just shrug his shoulders and say he hoped she enjoyed herself. But try to defraud his bank? He'd have your hide!
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A friend who once lived in Switzerland once said that if you had an affair with a Swiss bank president's wife, he'd just shrug his shoulders and say he hoped she enjoyed herself. But try to defraud his bank? He'd have your hide!
Sweet Jesus. Don't get me started on Swiss bankers.
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The horrific nature of Jose Medellin's crime is reason enough for TX to go through with this execution.

It was 15 years ago that this gang rape happened, and it still sets the standard for brutality and viciousness.

No number of court-house dodges, 11th hour appeals, perp's rights advocates, UN interventions or retrials in the Hague can ever right the scales of justice until each one of the rapists receives his state-administered dose of Sodium thiopental, Pancuronium bromide and Potassium chloride.

Load up the syringes!!
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The only thing they are doing wrong is they are not letting me throw the switch, drop the pellet, however they do it down there.
I'd gladly volunteer. I have a 14 year old daughter.

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