Rant: Local LE REFUSED to respond

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

Hmmmm. Conversation with them this morning (they are BOTH Engineers if you can imagine such people marrying and reproducing ;-)

Neighborhood meeting with Mayor.

Insurance company attorneys have now been in contact and REALLY REALLY want video. If nothing else, Ins Co will cover their own rears!

Oh, multiple thousands of dollars in damage on at least this block.

On a side note, I wonder if this has been happening in other nearby neighborhoods? Wonder if Ins. Co's will now go after these three for all the local issues? But we'll never know...

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

Originally Posted by David

Houston police usually won't come out for a car burglary, you have to go to the police station to file a report. BTDT.

David,

Last time I spent the night in Houston two kids broke into my truck and stole less than a dollar in change, my coat, and some books and items I had owned for up to 30 years. Cops actually caught the two as they were leaving my truck and I was arriving with my .38 I was taking to the range with my buddy, yes I was just leaving for the range carrying range bags. I'd be willing to bet that was the better outcome for all parties.

Police refused to release my items to me (even the old books) but made the kids pay restitution for full replacement value of everything. I was financially able to buy new but it just is not the same thing being made financially whole versus having your same items back. Guess the kids got to keep all my stuff.

David

[Rikao4]

a meeting
how sweet...beer provided ?


give copy to the local TV station..
to help the 'community' be aware of 2 things..
1 who to look out for..
2 to let them no the police don't care..


Rika

[Jeff Higgins]

Around here, several law enforcement agencies from municipal to county level have announced that they will no longer investigate property crimes involving less than $10,000 in value. They cite manpower and funding cutbacks in an attempt to justify this. Yet, at the same time, they have no trouble manning speed traps with half a dozen officers, or more.

Granted, many of those highly staffed speed traps are run by our State Patrol and have nothing to do with county or municipal departments. The latter two certainly do run their fair share of them, however. Particularly on weekends, when no doubt many of the officers manning these speed traps are pulling overtime to do so.

And the police wonder why there is so much disrespect, distrust, and outright disdain for them among the people they "serve" and "protect". With Seattle cops making the local headlines almost daily for their unabashed thuggery (and the special Mayor's council formed to address this (in response to a scathing DOJ report on their "culture of violence") now falling apart), with departments announcing they will no longer investigate property crimes below a certain value, and with very visible speed traps just about everywhere we drive, is it really any wonder?

[emcon5]

Be happy nobody died:
Berkeley man bludgeoned to death requested quick police response, transcript shows - San Jose Mercury News

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Groesbeck Hurricane

Hmmmm. Conversation with them this morning (they are BOTH Engineers if you can imagine such people marrying and reproducing ;-)

Yep, that is scary. My 1st wife was also an Engineer...sort of...she was fired for incompetance, so maybe it doesn't count

And those who know my story of the crazy eyed chick, she was also an engineer...

[techweenie]

If I were a policeman in Indiana, I'd be very selective about responding to calls from homeowners.

Indiana House approves bill covering police entering homes | POLL » Evansville Courier & Press

[Hugh R]

During the Bernard Goetz issue in the NYC subways 25 or so years ago, George Will had an OP-ED in the WSJ in which he said society makes a deal with law enforcement, they enforce the law and we don't act as vigilantes.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by techweenie

If I were a policeman in Indiana, I'd be very selective about responding to calls from homeowners.

I would too. Indiana already has legalized murder, now it's legalized murder of LEOs. I wonder what makes Rep. Pierce “ ... not concerned that we’re going to suddenly have meth-heads sitting in their La-Z-Boy with their shotgun and SB 1 in their hand.” Seems to me that's exactly what they can expect. Meth heads aren't exactly rational to begin with, now they've got legal cover.

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

meth is the biggest export from the county in which I reside.... LE is shutting down about one lab every other day around Bloomington/Monroe County (not where I reside but not too far away either) according to the news.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

I would too. Indiana already has legalized murder, now it's legalized murder of LEOs. I wonder what makes Rep. Pierce “ ... not concerned that we’re going to suddenly have meth-heads sitting in their La-Z-Boy with their shotgun and SB 1 in their hand.” Seems to me that's exactly what they can expect. Meth heads aren't exactly rational to begin with, now they've got legal cover.

I hadn't heard of that law. It sounds ridiculous.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by jyl

I hadn't heard of that law. It sounds ridiculous.

What is ridiculous? A LEO needs a warrant to enter a house uninvited. A Homeowner has a right to defend his property.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by techweenie

If I were a policeman in Indiana, I'd be very selective about responding to calls from homeowners.

Indiana House approves bill covering police entering homes | POLL » Evansville Courier & Press

Wow - I honestly cannot believe what I just read. A state legislature doing what is morally correct for its citizens and drawing the line on illegal entry into their homes by the police. Maybe there is still some hope after all.

[Tobra]

Hugh, it seems to me that if LEO fail to uphold their end of the social contract, we will be seeing a lot more "frontier justice," and things will get ugly really fast. Especially when the government checks stop going out when the dough to pay them is no longer available to borrow.

[Eric Hahl]

Call the Police and tell them you shot the perps, they'll be there in a matter of minutes.

When they show up, dont find any bodies and state "you said you shot them", hand them the video and tell them, yes, "I shot a VIDEO of them".

[vash]

i had a cop tell a friend..to say, "i think i saw them carrying guns". cops show up in a hurry.

i have never tried it.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by red-beard

What is ridiculous? A LEO needs a warrant to enter a house uninvited. A Homeowner has a right to defend his property.

not true - they only need a warrant sometimes

[jyl]

Originally Posted by red-beard

What is ridiculous? A LEO needs a warrant to enter a house uninvited. A Homeowner has a right to defend his property.

First of all, the governor who signed the law, supposedly "after close inspection", admits that it will virtually never justify a citizen shooting a police officer. Governor Daniels said "in the real world, there will almost never be a situation in which these extremely narrow conditions are met” . So the legislature passed, and the governor signed, a law purely for political appearances. That is already a bad thing.

Next, most people will not closely inspect the law. I spent nearly 20 minutes searching for the text of the law or an accurate description of it. Most people won't do that. Most people will think it means exactly what you yourself just said:

"A LEO needs a warrant to enter a house uninvited. A Homeowner has a right to defend his property."

So, here is the state of the law in Indiana, as far as the average person knows. If a police officer is entering my home, and I think he doesn't have a warrant, I can shoot him dead to "defend my property". Repeat: I can kill a police officer for entering my property without a warrant.

Does that not strike you as ridiculous?

[cstreit]

Remember the case where the SWAT team broke into the wrong house? What if a cop forces himself into the wrong house accidentally at 3am and the owner shoots him also on mistaken identity? Guess what, homeowners going to jail NO MATTER WHAT. Doesn't matter how wrong the cop is....

One cry of "police" outside your front door does not clearly identify to the homeowner that it's legit.

This situation terrifies me....

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by cstreit

Remember the case where the SWAT team broke into the wrong house? What if a cop forces himself into the wrong house accidentally at 3am and the owner shoots him also on mistaken identity? Guess what, homeowners going to jail NO MATTER WHAT. Doesn't matter how wrong the cop is....

One cry of "police" outside your front door does not clearly identify to the homeowner that it's legit.

This situation terrifies me....

In that case in GA where the old lady shot back (hers was the wrong address), they killed her and THEN planted drugs on her too. Cops went to jail over that one.

I still don't see how this iN law has anything to do with cops refusing to investigate a very easily solveable crime.