Mountain bikes - input needed

[krystar]

if you're doing mostly road with a bit of smooth dirt trail, why not get a 700c hybrid instead of a mountain bike. just the smoother tires will make road riding that much better.

definitely get a good fitting gel seat.

and if you're spending points, go to a bicycle shop and get measured and fitted. not just "you look about an 18" frame, here's one that'll fit ya"

tool bag: phillips head, flathead (or a multitool) and 6mm allen should be all u'll ever need. if you are riding far from home, a spare tube and patch kit would be good too.

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by krystar

definitely get a good fitting gel seat.

Make sure you really want a gel saddle. You might hate that squishy feel, and a firm (not hard) saddle that fits well and is positioned properly could be the better answer. There are shops that will let you try before you buy!

As to grips, I have ergo grips on my commuter hybrid and I absolutely love them. I used to think they were a gimmick, but I am totally sold on the idea...

[jyl]

Z -

Get the Cycle Force Mantis Eagle. It is the only rigid bike on your list (neither front nor rear suspension). That means it will be lighter, more efficient, and more reliable. You do not need or want suspension for your usage, at this price point: your legs and arms absorb movement more effectively than the crap springs on a low-end bike, and won't fall apart after couple years (or months).

I don't see a choice of sizes. If I recall correctly, you are a fairly tall and big guy? If so, the Mantis fit should be okay, even if maybe not ideal.

Go over the bike carefully upon receipt. Inexpensive bikes are often incorrectly assembled. Everything should work crispy and effectively and pretty much silently. Squeeze adjacent pairs of spokes together, they should be tight and consistent tension (not much more than 1/4" deflection, using a really hearty handshake sort of grip force). If something doesn't seem right, ask here or check out the Park Tools maintenance guide online.

Accessories: helmet, U lock, spare tube, patch kit, tire levers (2), pump. Blinking red taillight and blinking white headlight (often sold in a set for $35) if you will be out after dusk.

Careful on the roads. You are even more invisible than a motorcycle and some drivers think you don't even have the right to use their roads. But don't ride on the sidewalk, at least not when there are pedestrians there.

[jyl]

If you decide you want a better bike later on, this one will make a good spare bike or errand bike or rain bike.

CL is a good way to buy used bikes, all you have to do is point us to your local CL and provide some basic info on size and desires. You'll get more suggestions than you have time to check out.

[gr8fl4porsche]

I agree with the no mountain bike idea, if choices are available.

For folks in their mid 40's and up, riding bent over on a mountain bike is not the best way to enjoy a ride.

The comfort line of bikes and cruisers are a much better idea. You ride on a nice spring loaded seat with sway back bars in a more vertical position. Much easier on the back.

We have been renting beach cruisers on vacation for years and finally picked up some cheap 6 speed comfort bikes for short rides with the kids. Very nice way to tool around the neighborhood. I also have a several thousand dollar full suspension rig in the garage that collects dust. I recently ditched all the super light go fast goodies for a tall stem, riser bars, gel seat and ergo grips trying to match the comfort of my Walmart special. It helped a little.

[gr8fl4porsche]

These helped

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche

These helped

What is that (I think I need one)?

Z, I am in the same boat... picked up a hard tail mountain bike for around town...

I like it a lot, the fat tires help absorb the bumps.. the nobbies help when you hit a little gravel/dirt on the road.

For an average Joe like you or me I think it works just fine.

Not sure why the hard core biker guys are obsessed with the weight of the bike...we are doing this for exercise... no?

[jyl]

That is logically true (heavier bike = more exercise) but there is just something distasteful about that sort of exercise. Better to burn calories riding a light bike fast than riding a heavy bike slow.

[Laneco]

Go with the rigid bike. In this price range, front suspension and full suspension are really heavy and don't work particularly well. You'll probably knock 8 or 10 pounds off the bike weight between the full suspension and the rigid. Why does this matter? It makes the bike respond quickly, handle better, and just flat be more of a pleasure to zip around on. Ride it as-is, when the tires wear out, put on some slick or semi-slick tires. It will really liven up the bike. This will make a perfectly good "commuter" for you. Enjoy it - it's free.

Spend your money on a good seat. Gel seats "seem" like a good idea, but they are usually just squishy-ness over a crappy seat. A bike shop will carry good seats. Get one that fits your bones - a little padding is fine, but the base seat must fit YOU because no amount of gel/padding/pillows will ever make up for the poor fit.

As far as the comments regarding full suspension being a handicap on a climb - I don't necessarily agree. On an entry level bikes - agreed - the weight and efficiency are unacceptable. On high end equipment the weight difference is not so much, pedaling efficiency is very good, and most will have a "lock out" on the shock. Flip the lever and it's a hard tail for a climb.

This is my full suspension bike. This is NOT an entry level bike... I have finished 11 twenty-four hour mountain bike races on it. My back doesn't hurt and my hiney doesn't hurt after 24 hours in the saddle. This is very easy on my old body.

angela

[nostatic]

At this price point, full rigid. Don't buy anything with suspension - it will be heavy and crap. I rode ridiculous trails back in the day with no shocks on the bike.

Understand the "points" thing but like others, I like to patronize my local bike shop. A bottom of the line bike from them will be better than the big box thing plus you'll get some level of service.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by jyl

Careful on the roads. You are even more invisible than a motorcycle and some drivers think you don't even have the right to use their roads. But don't ride on the sidewalk, at least not when there are pedestrians there.

Curious why this comment? I'm by no means a hardcore biker but I won't ride on the roads. There are way too many morons and I've heard way too many horror stories, some on here. It is totally legal in KS to ride on sidewalks, but pedestrians still have the right of way. I normally ride at about 5:30 am, so that helps too.

[Z-man]

Thanks for the input guys. Hardtail it is, which will more than satisfy my riding needs. So that narrows down my choices to:

Cycle Force Group Mantis Eagle:

26", 18 speed
Cycle Force Group, LLC :: Bikes :: Mantis :: Mantis Eagle Mens'
About $144

Kent Shogun Trail Blaster:

26", 18 speed
26" Mens Shogun Trail Blaster | kent
About $125

The only other bikes in my points range are basically beach cruisers.

I'm thinking the Cycle Force may be a slightly better bike.

Thoughts?

[gr8fl4porsche]

Any beach cruisers with gears?

[vmb]

the cycle force looks like it has 2-piece cranks, with a little beefier profile. The Kent has one piece cranks that depending on how much you weigh, and how much off-roading you might do, may not be as resistant to bending. (though you'd probably have to be doing some drop-offs or jumps to bend the crankarms). The Kent does have a quick-release seatpost collar though. Might be handy, might not be.

Otherwise probably mot much difference between the two. Have fun riding!

[jyl]

Funny, they look like nearly the same bike - the same frame, anyway. The Shogun has Shimano shifting, the Cycle Mantis has Falcon shifting, I'm not sure if that makes any difference. They are different colors, and honestly I might make my choice on that.

[herr_oberst]

I think the Mantis has a slightly better crankset. The shogun appears to have an ashtabula one piece, while the Mantis has a 3 piece crank.

Oops. Just noticed that this is a repeat.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by gr8fl4porsche

Any beach cruisers with gears?

There are two - one without gears, and a Kent Shogun Safari Cruiser with a 7 speed and front shocks

Originally Posted by vmb

the cycle force looks like it has 2-piece cranks, with a little beefier profile. The Kent has one piece cranks that depending on how much you weigh, and how much off-roading you might do, may not be as resistant to bending.

Well, I am big-boned...

[jyl]

Is it hilly at all where you live? If so, you'll probably want lots of gears . . .

[85eurocarrera]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Curious why this comment? I'm by no means a hardcore biker but I won't ride on the roads. There are way too many morons and I've heard way too many horror stories, some on here. It is totally legal in KS to ride on sidewalks, but pedestrians still have the right of way. I normally ride at about 5:30 am, so that helps too.

Say you're riding on the sidewalk against the traffic. You come up to a crosswalk and you have the light. Car is at the red light but making a right. He's looking left for an opening and hits it as you are right in front of him in the crosswalk. Bam! This happened to me. Bikes move faster than pedestrian and can sneak up on the drivers. Also the judgment of speed when you're coming up to an intersection and the car is turning right and you're going straight.

[85eurocarrera]

And curbs suck.