Tony Stewart, this is not good

[VaSteve]

Winning the championship and firing your crew chief in the same day?

^^^interesting reading above. I think many of these guys are WAY different when the cameras are not on them.

[gordner]

Originally Posted by BE911SC

Stewart is successful because he attacks his competition. Fair enough. We expect competitors to compete and even throw a few punches once in a while. But my measure of Stewart is that he is a sociopath with 'anger management' issues and does not like to be threatened competitively or otherwise and he uses his temper and physical behavior to respond. None of that Jeff Gordon nice guy stuff for Tony. Cut him off and your ass is going into the wall.
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How is that for a reach...astronomical perhaps? The fact that you can draw a conclusion as to Tony Stewarts mental health condition from media reports shows how little you understand mental health. Your "measure" is being accomplished without a yard stick....

[Tervuren]

As for Tony's personality, I've met him, and know people who work with him, and wrote a post with some data points, but then deleted it as it was poorly written. I've actually tried to write a response on this a few times throughout the thread, I just can't find the right words and have deleted what I wrote the first time I read it. Tony is someone that believes he got to where he is by hard work, and looks down on anyone he thinks is slacking, or got to where they are without "working for it". He's not what I would call a nice guy, and he's not one to falsely "buddy buddy" with people. When Tony saw Ward running on the track, I am at least 00.0001% sure that what went through his mind was "What is this dumbass(or clown) doing?" followed by "Oh ****". I do know a driver that exactly fits the profile you outlined, and I have never gotten that vibe from TS.

BE911, here's a look at Tony's placement on the track. It would appear Tony was following the path of the car in front of Tony, which is what you are supposed to do per the rule book for when a track goes yellow. The leader slows to pace speed and becomes the pace car, and the rest of the field drives above pace speeder to form up into a single file line. This is per the rule book, and Tony is not doing anything out of ordinary.

Originally Posted by emcon5

Because, as actual sprint car racers have said, that is a big part of steering it.

Again, the guy 2 cars back from Stewart said: "From what I saw, Tony did everything in his power to turn down away from Kevin to avoid him,"

He watched it right in front of him, not from a grainy YouTube video.



The car wasn't in the middle of the track, it was at the edge. Watching the whole video, watching where the wings are in relation to the top of the wall.

About 10 seconds after Ward comes to a stop, a white car goes by that was farther up the track than Stewart, was he trying to kill Ward too?




Here are side by side shots of the car just in front of Stewart and Stewart as they come into frame. Look at the distance between the inside edge of the track and the tires.



Was that guy trying to kill Ward too? He looks to be about the same place on the track.




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[URY914]

I don't want some of you guys on my jury....

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by URY914

I don't want some of you guys on my jury....

The end result of the way our USA court system works, is it looks for the most ignorant people it can find for a jury. The less facts the jurors have, the more their decision will be based solely on what is said in court.

[VaSteve]

I would use the term "uninformed". "Ignorant" has a bad connotation.

I watched a lot of that Zimmerman trial during the day and the hyperbole at night. Vastly different. I learned a whole lot too. I hope this doesn't go to trial, but there would be much to learn. Many people won't learn under andly circumstances...their mind is made up.

[emcon5]

Originally Posted by BE911SC

Stewart is successful because he attacks his competition. Fair enough. We expect competitors to compete and even throw a few punches once in a while. But my measure of Stewart is that he is a sociopath with 'anger management' issues and does not like to be threatened competitively or otherwise and he uses his temper and physical behavior to respond. None of that Jeff Gordon nice guy stuff for Tony. Cut him off and your ass is going into the wall.

So what reason would Stewart have to be angry with Ward?

So again, when Stewart saw the kid trying to get in his face out there on the track, he didn't slow or swerve away, he went right at him, maybe flipping him off, and probably in a sudden rage over seeing the kid there in the track daring to be mad at him. F..k me? No, F..K YOU. BAM.

There are really only three possibilities for what happened.

1: Stewart intentionally ran him over.

2: Stewart was being an ass hole and wanted to scare him, "Squirt dirt at him" or something similar.

3: Stewart didn't see Ward until it was too late and did the best he could in a car that is difficult to control at slow speeds to avoid him, and came up short.

One is Just stupid. Nobody with more than three brain cells thinks Stewart intentionally killed Ward.

Two is certainly possible, after all, he is an ass hole. Since he is such an ass hole, people are coming out of the woodwork with examples of how he has done such things in the past, squirting other sprint car drivers with dirt, or revving his engine as he passed them really close. Wait, they aren't? Huh. He did throw his helmet at another driver that took him out of a race once, and that is exactly the same thing. Right? Right?

Three. This is what the driver two cars behind him believes, and I suspect he had a better view of the action than the video from the stands.

[speeder]

It's funny...you guys are holding a mock trial for him here and absolutely no one knows whether he did #2 or #3 on emcom's list. I'd vote for #2 but with absolutely no intention of hitting him, these guys are so good in a car that he probably thought he could untie the guy's shoelace with his spinning tire and slap him in the face at the same time. The amount of skill and cockiness this guy had, (past tense), was off the charts.

But I really don't know.

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by speeder

It's funny...you guys are holding a mock trial for him here and absolutely no one knows whether he did #2 or #3 on emcom's list. I'd vote for #2 but with absolutely no intention of hitting him, these guys are so good in a car that he probably thought he could untie the guy's shoelace with his spinning tire and slap him in the face at the same time. The amount of skill and cockiness this guy had, (past tense), was off the charts.

But I really don't know.

I vote for 2 also. by the way, he is being tried on many websites where cars or racing is the content.

he could probably end some of the pre-trial activities if he were to surface like an innocent man...but his handlers have other ideas and I suspect there is a serious reason for the deafening silence.

the ward family has been quite silent to my knowledge. a deal may be in the works?

jest speculating but ya never know...

[BE911SC]

Originally Posted by gordner

How is that for a reach...astronomical perhaps? The fact that you can draw a conclusion as to Tony Stewarts mental health condition from media reports shows how little you understand mental health. Your "measure" is being accomplished without a yard stick....

Hey, at least I admitted my opinion was a reach! That's a hell of a lot more than you usually get on the Internet!

I've dealt with many a sociopath in my life, male and female. I know one when I see one. As for Stewart's work ethic, it was never in question by me. Damn right he worked hard to get where he is as a successful driver--I said as much in my last post. (If I didn't then I am now.) Again, I question his state of mind and why it goes where it seems to go.

I've seen this act before with sociopathic behavior and it is my opinion, repeat, my opinion that Stewart is deeply sociopathic with anger management issues. So are a lot of financially successful people. Stewart, however, acts out in public in front of millions of racing fans and there is now a death involved.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Ferraripete

I vote for 2 also. by the way, he is being tried on many websites where cars or racing is the content.

he could probably end some of the pre-trial activities if he were to surface like an innocent man...but his handlers have other ideas and I suspect there is a serious reason for the deafening silence.

the ward family has been quite silent to my knowledge. a deal may be in the works?

jest speculating but ya never know...

Does not matter what he says, the court of popular opinions mind will not be changed, those who think he is guilty will simply think he is a guilty and a liar.

[BE911SC]

Originally Posted by emcon5

So what reason would Stewart have to be angry with Ward?



There are really only three possibilities for what happened.

1: Stewart intentionally ran him over.

2: Stewart was being an ass hole and wanted to scare him, "Squirt dirt at him" or something similar.

3: Stewart didn't see Ward until it was too late and did the best he could in a car that is difficult to control at slow speeds to avoid him, and came up short.

One is Just stupid. Nobody with more than three brain cells thinks Stewart intentionally killed Ward.

Two is certainly possible, after all, he is an ass hole. Since he is such an ass hole, people are coming out of the woodwork with examples of how he has done such things in the past, squirting other sprint car drivers with dirt, or revving his engine as he passed them really close. Wait, they aren't? Huh. He did throw his helmet at another driver that took him out of a race once, and that is exactly the same thing. Right? Right?

Three. This is what the driver two cars behind him believes, and I suspect he had a better view of the action than the video from the stands.

I'll take #2 and wish it was #3. I'll split the difference and consider that the kid could have stumbled or misjudged his distance to Stewart's car while Stewart was trying to get/stay close to him to humiliate him with a dirt spraying.

He was angry with Ward because they had been racing hard and Stewart finally ran him into the wall to show him who the Alpha Dog is. Ward then had the audacity to challenge Stewart out there on the track, a-la Tony Stewart, and #2 happened.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by BE911SC

my opinion that Stewart is deeply sociopathic with anger management issues.

PURE speculation your Honor! I call this to be struck from the record.

[BE911SC]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Does not matter what he says, the court of popular opinions mind will not be changed, those who think he is guilty will simply think he is a guilty and a liar.

And that's why you stay away from juries. (I have firsthand experience with that too.) And that's why Stewart's corporate law team is working furiously behind the scenes to get this settled without a jury trial. You don't want Stewart on the stand like Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" getting angry and admitting he drove at Ward to scare him. "YOU'RE GODDAM RIGHT I DID!" On the other hand, he could get a sympathetic jury the way O.J. Simpson did and walk. His lawyers want to pay his way out of this and move forward. If that is possible.

[BE911SC]

Originally Posted by URY914

PURE speculation your Honor!

I agree. I even used the word "opinion." They're like a-holes: everyone has one.

[emcon5]

He was angry with Ward because they had been racing hard and Stewart finally ran him into the wall to show him who the Alpha Dog is. Ward then had the audacity to challenge Stewart out there on the track, a-la Tony Stewart, and #2 happened.

Wow.

You know Stewart doesn't always win, right? He gets beat regularly in sprint cars. In other words every weekend dozens of drivers have "the audacity to challenge Stewart out there on the track". So there must be dozens of examples of Stewart doing something similar. Right?

Can the folks who still think Stewart wanted to scare him, "Squirt dirt at him" come up with even one example of him doing anything similar in the past?

Do you see contact between Stewart and Ward's cars in the video? I don't. It looked to me like Ward ran out of track and looped it on his own. So with no mirrors, and no radio, how would Stewart even know Ward spun?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by BE911SC

And that's why you stay away from juries. (I have firsthand experience with that too.) And that's why Stewart's corporate law team is working furiously behind the scenes to get this settled without a jury trial. You don't want Stewart on the stand like Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" getting angry and admitting he drove at Ward to scare him. "YOU'RE GODDAM RIGHT I DID!" On the other hand, he could get a sympathetic jury the way O.J. Simpson did and walk. His lawyers want to pay his way out of this and move forward. If that is possible.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by emcon5

Wow.

You know Stewart doesn't always win, right? He gets beat regularly in sprint cars. In other words every weekend dozens of drivers have "the audacity to challenge Stewart out there on the track". So there must be dozens of examples of Stewart doing something similar. Right?

Can the folks who still think Stewart wanted to scare him, "Squirt dirt at him" come up with even one example of him doing anything similar in the past?

Do you see contact between Stewart and Ward's cars in the video? I don't. It looked to me like Ward ran out of track and looped it on his own. So with no mirrors, and no radio, how would Stewart even know Ward spun?

If you want results, here are last years, cut short when he broke his leg.

http://www.tonystewart.com/raceschedule?seriesid=3&seasonid=3

[chapo]

Accident, no one comes out good. Smoke will rise. Some real hambone views here.

[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by chapo

Accident, no one comes out good. Smoke will rise. Some real hambone views here.

Well said.