“Super Trooper” Cops Crash Pool Party in McKinney, TX (Dallas)

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Baz

But I have to ask.......is the kid in this photo pretending he has a weapon and is about to draw it while approaching the cop?

At 3:18 in the video that kid sure seems to rush in and start posturing. Lucky he didn't get shot. The cop might even have been justified in thinking there was a threat. Certainly his partner that chased him down seemed to think there was cause to bring him back.

Later at 6:09 they drag the kid back after chasing him down. Good for them.


I can't comment on the girl in the bathing suit because the video doesn't really give me a good indication of what that was all about.

I'll bet over the course of this there were multiple events handled well and not so well on both sides.

[Baz]

That kid who was pretending to draw a gun....he should be punished severely for that crap.....wow....that's serious chit right there.......

[widgeon13]

When I was a kid, when the cops came, we scattered! Now the kids just tell the cops to **** off since they be playin de race card.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Baz

That kid who was pretending to draw a gun....he should be punished severely for that crap.....wow....that's serious chit right there.......

I would hope this kind of stuff is shown in those shoot/don't shoot interactive training videos. This would be as bad as Ferguson if the cop had shot that kid. Am I really crazy for thinking a cop should need to see a gun before shooting a kid, not just claim the kid looked like he was drawing from concealment? It's bad enough that that kid with the toy gun in Cleveland was shot within five seconds of the cops driving up to him. If you feel you need to shoot someone who hasn't touched you and hasn't displayed a weapon, I just don't think you should be a cop.

[SoCal911T]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

When I was a kid, when the cops came, we scattered!

Same here. Our default plan was to always be where the cops weren't. And when we scattered, we had to run uphill in the snow. Kids today have it SO easy.
Now get off of my lawn!

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Am I really crazy for thinking a cop should need to see a gun before shooting a kid, not just claim the kid looked like he was drawing from concealment?

Yes...you are.

You do realize that if a cop waited until he saw the gun drawn it's over? This isn't a ****ing tv show. It takes time to draw a gun from a service holster. If someone already has the gun out you are dead.

Also, define "kid". There are kids decapitating people in some areas. Kids are just as capable of killing as an adult. Look at the Mexican Cartel assassins.

You can read my posts from the past and see that I am the first to decry the militarization of the police and police excess. There are many examples of police excess...I don't need to post them. However, when it comes down to a confrontation the cops will err on the side of caution for their protection. I would and so would you.

Talking about restraint when you are surrounded by a group that is getting out of control is hindsight. Would you be saying the same thing if the cop had been shot or stabbed?

[onewhippedpuppy]

My 11 year old is a kid. Just because you are legally not an adult doesn't mean that you are an innocent little child either. I'd be scared schitless if I was confronted by a gang of pissed off teenagers, many of which are adult sized.

[widgeon13]

Teenagers today are as dangerous as adults, they have no sense of respect for authority.

[widebody911]

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by widebody911

Looks clean to me. Bro's lucky he's not on a slab.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I would hope this kind of stuff is shown in those shoot/don't shoot interactive training videos. This would be as bad as Ferguson if the cop had shot that kid. Am I really crazy for thinking a cop should need to see a gun before shooting a kid, not just claim the kid looked like he was drawing from concealment? It's bad enough that that kid with the toy gun in Cleveland was shot within five seconds of the cops driving up to him. If you feel you need to shoot someone who hasn't touched you and hasn't displayed a weapon, I just don't think you should be a cop.

Rick, I think something that can be learned if this was a training video is that drawing and shooting are two different steps, each requiring a decision, not a single one.

I think the way it is broken down in the pics above show how it should be done.

[stomachmonkey]

I never knew that when I crouched I was assuming "a shooting stance".

Learn something new every day.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by billh1963

Looks clean to me. Bro's lucky he's not on a slab.

Come on. Just about any still frame can be taken from a motion video and made to appear to be something it is not. Take a look at the motion video from which the above stills were taken. Yes, the teen makes all the "poses" labeled, which last for a split second, but in the context of the complete action, they are just as easily seen as single scenes of natural movements in approaching, removing his cap, bending lower to (whatever?).

If you really look at the motion video, the teen and his friend have already moved out of that threatening "pose", he has moved his hands in front of himself, and has back peddled away from the officer before the officer even draws his weapon. In fact, the two teens were in the continuous act of moving away from the officer by the time the officer stood up, turned toward them, and drew his weapon.

I'm not defending the teens, nor indicting the cop. I wasn't there. Still, posting the individual scenes, above, as "evidence" that justifies the pulling out of the weapon is as disingenuous as the claim these were just innocent "kids." Many have claimed, correctly, that the media has edited the video and show only a tiny amount of the event in order to skew opinion in a certain direction. Posting the scenes, above, is exactly the same--editing out the numerous scenes which don't fit the conclusion intended by the editor.

[wayner]

When I watch that and paid attention to the tree instead of the girl, I could only imagine what that would have looked like from the cop's perspective just at that moment.

Crouching, assuming the position, posturing, whatever you want to call it...

[VINMAN]

In the video the guy kept putting his hand on his waist

[billh1963]

Originally Posted by ossiblue

Come on. Just about any still frame can be taken from a motion video and made to appear to be something it is not. Take a look at the motion video from which the above stills were taken. Yes, the teen makes all the "poses" labeled, which last for a split second, but in the context of the complete action, they are just as easily seen as single scenes of natural movements in approaching, removing his cap, bending lower to (whatever?).

If you really look at the motion video, the teen and his friend have already moved out of that threatening "pose", he has moved his hands in front of himself, and has back peddled away from the officer before the officer even draws his weapon. In fact, the two teens were in the continuous act of moving away from the officer by the time the officer stood up, turned toward them, and drew his weapon.

I'm not defending the teens, nor indicting the cop. I wasn't there. Still, posting the individual scenes, above, as "evidence" that justifies the pulling out of the weapon is as disingenuous as the claim these were just innocent "kids." Many have claimed, correctly, that the media has edited the video and show only a tiny amount of the event in order to skew opinion in a certain direction. Posting the scenes, above, is exactly the same--editing out the numerous scenes which don't fit the conclusion intended by the editor.

Do you think the officer is watching one fluid "video" or is seeing and analyzing snapshots as he is trying to assess potential threats all around? I would imagine what the cops saw is more like the snap shots above than a nice remotely taken video camera view.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by billh1963

Yes...you are.

You do realize that if a cop waited until he saw the gun drawn it's over? This isn't a ****ing tv show. It takes time to draw a gun from a service holster. If someone already has the gun out you are dead.

Uh no. It's pretty rare for a cop to shoot an unarmed person he thought was carrying a gun and it's a big effing deal when it happens. I know I'd be in prison for 20-life if I killed someone I thought might have been drawing on me, but was later found to have no gun at all. Not saying unholstering was totally out of line here, but you have to be ready to really shoot when you do that.

In the civilian world, when a gun comes out of its holster, someone has committed a felony - either the assailant who caused the gun owner to fear imminent death/grave bodily hard or the gun owner for brandishing at an unarmed person.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by billh1963

Do you think the officer is watching one fluid "video" or is seeing and analyzing snapshots as he is trying to assess potential threats all around? I would imagine what the cops saw is more like the snap shots above than a nice remotely taken video camera view.

You missed my point.

" Still, posting the individual scenes, above, as "evidence" that justifies the pulling out of the weapon is as disingenuous as the claim these were just innocent "kids."

Nobody knows what the cop saw, one can only "imagine" as you said in your post. The edited stills are what one outside/non-present observer "imagined" the cop saw. It carries no weight as evidence to justify his actions. In fact, we don't even know what the officer's justification was as, to my knowledge, no statement from him has been released. My point was that using these stills as a justification is invalid.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I never knew that when I crouched I was assuming "a shooting stance".

Learn something new every day.

Here is what you folks need to do: Get out there, experience it, live the dream.

Then get back to me. Learn something indeed.

He may have done something wrong, but you keyboard ninjas have no f'ing clue. My bet is most of you would have soiled yourselves. I get the militarization of the police, hate it, but you bubbas roll up on this little party to try and keep the peace and I'll film you, then critique EVERYTHING you do, adopt a superior tone and add the eye rolly thing for effect.

Ever been shot at, shot at someone?

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Here is what you folks need to do: Get out there, experience it, live the dream.

Then get back to me. Learn something indeed.

He may have done something wrong, but you keyboard ninjas have no f'ing clue. My bet is most of you would have soiled yourselves. I get the militarization of the police, hate it, but you bubbas roll up on this little party to try and keep the peace and I'll film you, then critique EVERYTHING you do, adopt a superior tone and add the eye rolly thing for effect.

Ever been shot at, shot at someone?

Thank you.