Grady's car on The Samba

[intakexhaust]

hey, maybe some of you guys might like this too

[speeder]

You don't know what you're talking about regarding the market for this car, you should bow out of the discussion. No one is claiming that it doesn't need a total resto.

As for "the Maestro" GC, I don't think you could have had a conversation with him about Porsches. He would have fallen asleep. This is a guy who owned 917s and 904s, was one of the few guys in the world who could build and set-up a 4-cam motor right, etc., etc...

Who cares why he set this car aside.

[1990C4S]

It's just an asking price, the market will decide.

Some guys here act like they being asked to pay for it....

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by speeder

You don't know what you're talking about regarding the market for this car, you should bow out of the discussion. No one is claiming that it doesn't need a total resto.

As for "the Maestro" GC, I don't think you could have a conversation with him about Porsches. He would have fallen asleep. This is a guy who owned 917s and 904s, was one of the few guys in the world who could build and set-up a 4-cam motor right, etc., etc...

Who cares why he set this car aside.

Doesn't matter who owned it, Grady or Piech or Dr. Diesel. The car was left sadly neglected and in its current state, poor. The advert is misrepresented.

[javadog]

I think the ad shows pretty much what you're going to get. Nobody with any decent experience in the market would fail to understand what the car is, what it needs, etc. Most serious buyers, myself included, would fly up and look at the car in person.

You may not like the car, think the price is ridiculous, whatever. You don't know much about the market, so I'd suggest finding something else to do.

JR

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

There's hundreds of thousands of cars that have changed hands and once owned by someone of recognition, but sorry I don't buy and inflate value just for that.

Maybe you don't, but others do. Like Steve McQueen's 930. No way that car is worth $2MM, but guess what? STEVE fookin' MCQUEEN. So your part of the argument about your preference doesn't mean anything. The larger market pays more for stuff owned by people of note. Sorry, but that's just fact. Once you get past that, then maybe a conversation can happen.

[304065]

Hey Denis, thanks for the props.

Ten years ago when I bought '065, a car like Grady's, in its current condition, with all the parts there, was a $15,000 car.

These days, thanks to half a decade of central bank liquidity and a vastly expanded global market for these cars, absolute rust bucket fred flintstone cars with non-matching engines, or no engine, are going in the low five figures.

Having spent the last decade on and under SWB cars, let me tell you what you're NOT seeing: rust- the high colorado elevation means that it's likely a rust-free example, even if the paint has oxidized. Missing parts-- look carefully at the photos. . . it's all there, and it was adult owned, even if storage has taken its toll. The decklid is an easy fix, as is the dent in the rear quarter. . . I would even leave the 72S spoiler.

Oh, and the motor? Do you remember when Grady said he had a 2,8 in the car? That motor may have gone into his 914, but it's definitely worth looking at. My guess is that it's the original matching numbers engine which he said he removed and stored. Have you noticed the asking prices for complete aluminum SWB engines lately, also in the low five figures?

There are many things to see in the photos. . . the market sees them. I wish I lived closer it would be fun to take a look and remember our friend who gave so much to this community.

[javadog]

I would not be surprised if it had interesting ratios in the gearbox, or other desirable modifications. Grady had the knowledge, had access to the interesting parts and was the kind of guy that would have modified his cars to suit his purposes. I think whoever buys it will have a little fun when the car is taken apart and its secrets are revealed.

I'd love to own a car like that.

JR

[pitargue]

Wish I was awash in disposable cash to consider such a purchase. But this thread reminds me of



Apologies to Mr. Clay. He still is a valuable member of the community. Hopefully, whoever purchases this car will honor the memory of the man appropriately.

[ficke]

Any complete SWB 911 without major rust is 30-40K and if it runs and stops 50-60K.
The fact this might be really rust free and have some cool parts could easily bring it higher regardless of who owned it, that would be icing to the right buyer for even more $ to the seller.

A Corvette collector told me once that often the best person to buy from is an "expert" in the Marque you are interested in, because they are so sure of themselves they do not bother checking for currant market prices and often sell well bellow market, I think this thread illustrates that theory well.

[911boost]

I have not read this whole thread, but back in the day we had a Pelican get together in Fort Collins at my house and I had the pleasure of spending a lot of 1 on 1 time with Grady just talking cars etc. I have never been a SWB guy and at the time had my 964T, but it was a great time sitting around and enjoying a Warsteiner that he had brought with him.

Bill

[tevake]

Yes but what an asking price!
I wonder if a shoot for the moon asking price like this doesn't work against the seller.
A guy with some interest might not even touch in, hoping to negotiate with a reasonable seller.

As to market value, isn't there a premium for that car here in Pelicanland?
Wouldn't many here really enjoy watching it being brought back and enjoyed as a memento of Grady?

I will not be surprised to see it end up with some pelican somewhere.
I'm hoping anyway.

Cheers Richard

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by tevake

I will not be surprised to see it end up with some pelican somewhere.
I'm hoping anyway.

Cheers Richard

Ya... But the majority of us are poor, and/or cheap! Not a ton of guys on here tossing around that kind of dough freely!

[Shaun @ Tru6]

One thing going against the car is the stampede is over. I've been talking with potential early S buyers and many got burned rushing into the market. Last fellow I spoke with put $100K into a 6-figure purchase price car. It is a Hagerty 1, and the value is there, but he's being extra cautious as are others who have contacted me on this car. Everyone wants a bargain, so they tell me.

FS: 1970 911S Coupe

[MikeSid]

Wonder if this car was ever modified with Grady's "Rubbermaid Solution".

If anyone other than Grady had proposed the Rubbermaid solution, it would have been roundly criticized, summarily dismissed, and lumped in a pile of gererators, erams, and cool collars.

[javadog]

Ironically, there are production cars that use a similar system. My kid's Subaru WRX Sti has a water sprayer for the intercooler.

JR

[speeder]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

OK Denis, so in your eyes this car is in good condition?

And why did the maestro Grady let this car go to crap? The car is a disgrace, especially for $99k.

After its sold, its no longer A ONE OWNER CAR. Jeez, then you have the worshipers of who owned such and such. There's hundreds of thousands of cars that have changed hands and once owned by someone of recognition, but sorry I don't buy and inflate value just for that.

BTW: Denis, didn't you used to sell new cars? How long was your list of celeb, who's who of customers? I'm just trying to make a point that whoever owned this 911 treated it like crap, it is a POS and surely shows. The advert is laughable in its description and grossly over priced. That's all.

You are correct in that a car being owned by some entertainer or public figure does not automatically bestow greater value. This is different. Early 911s are very collectible these days and in short supply. Porsche people will pay more for a car owned by a respected figure in the Porsche scene, especially someone like Grady who was one of the great Porsche mechanics and club racers of the 20th century.

What do you think a Speedster owned by James Dean would bring on the open market? Normal Speedster money?? Someone mentioned McQueen's old 930. I drove that car several times when I worked at Westwood Porsche in the '80s. It was owned by Dean Paul Martin then, (RIP), and it was a "vanilla" car. Pretty much bone stock. But it became extremely collectible when the legend of Steve and his Porsches really took off in recent years. Doesn't bother me a bit- if rich guys want to collect stuff and pay a lot for it, so be it.

I disagree that Grady's car is "crap". It needs resto but it's a great starting point being original and apparently rust-free. I might take a swing at it depending on how high the auction goes. It would be a quite valuable early 911 once restored properly with its equipment and interesting history. It would matter nil if it changed hands between collectors once or twice at this point. The fact that you focus on the *one owner* aspect illustrates how little you know about the market for this car.

[k9handler]

amazing...been years since I have been active on the forum (sold my 911...still kicking myself) and Grady to this day is one of the guys who I always respected. RIP Grady.

[island911]

Originally Posted by Laneco

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It would be so damned cool to have Grady's old car...

angela

+1

Having been -in- on pulling Warren's 911 out of mothballs I can say it would be fascinating to see what all, specifically, Grady did to that 911.

Grady, like Warren, was nice enough to share massive knowledge with the Pelican community and beyond. There is something quite special about seeing that wisdom reflected in the actual 911s. ...911s that these special/smart guys lived with for so long.

Does anyone know if this sale price includes any Rubbermaid products?

[Brian in VA]

Well, the bid's are up to $32k so the market says its worth that at least.
Does look much worse than the ad makes it sound, I'll give you that. But, I can see it now: old rich guy who isn't named buys it, pays someone to restore it, Pano does a big story...