Ultimate Backdating Thread - Page 13

Ho Hum 74 · Ho Hum 74's Garage

Souk,

Maybe this was answered but I'll ask anyway. If you put these fender extensions on, do you fill in the gaps and then repaint/blend so it looks seamless?

I already have the ducktail, are you selling the RS rear bumper? I'm not afraid of cutting the car, I'd never put it back to stock. Shoot I have a real RS motor in it and RS flares, why should it not get the full treatment?

This seems like a nice project. Parts $2.5k and paint about $2.5k so this would be a backdate for $5k???? Am I off base here? My 2.5k for paint includes welding in my sunroof.

What do you think I could get for my IROC front and rear bumpers?

Tristan

MotoSook · 12-23-2004, 08:08 AM

Damon posted back somewhere here or in another thread that filling the seam as not a good thing as the filter and extension will expand and contract at a different rate than the steel. I asked if bonding the extension to the steel, like one might do with glass flares, wouldn't minimize the potential cracking of the paint, but I never got an answer. I think if done right, it can be filled.

One other thought is to find some fairly beat up steel fenders and cut the leading edges off, then weld them to your fenders. The guys in England it (see the article early in this thread). One of my fenders appears to have been repaired in a similar way. I've gotten to the point with my welding skills, that I wouldn't hesitate to do such a thing.

The RS bumper I have is very low quality, hence my willingness to experiment with it. It was a $240 dollar mistake, and I might as well do something with it since I'm not willing to sell it to anyone for street car use (a race car, sure). If you think you might want it, you are welcome to come look at it. Otherwise, it'll wait on my shelf for a warm summer day when I bust out the foam, resin and glass.

Parts for a backdate will be less than $2500, and welding the sunroof should be a snap. Chris or I can do that for you. After all the body work I've done on my car, I might just open up a Backdating Service! crap!

Depending on the level of quality you are looking for, the paint job will be the most expensive part of the backdate, but a $5000 budget will get the backdating done fairly nicely.

Ho Hum 74 · Ho Hum 74's Garage

What about just buying glass fenders? What's the cost of that?

MotoSook · 12-23-2004, 08:22 AM

Shop with some of the usual venders for glass fenders.

glass fenders=
hood=
front bumper=
rear bumper=

mounting and fab time=
body and paint=

Look on the Getty webpage...you can download a PDF catalog. That'll give you a good idea on price. GT Racing has a downloadable PDF catalog too. MA Shaw? If I recall correctly Getty's prices are fair, and I haven't heard bad fitment stories from them (but lets not start another one of those threads!). Oh..and TRE has glass parts too, but I don't know who Dave's supplier is.

I have a slightly bent steel long hood that I can bend back to shape for you...cheap!

Brother · 01-22-2005, 07:45 AM

RCM,

Did you have to do anything extra after removing your rocker panels?

Damn you guys, I think I'm getting the backdating bug as well. The heater is backdated and the Air Conditioning is deleto. I need a duck, but the rockers could be the cheapest weight loss item.

AbbyAk · 01-22-2005, 11:51 AM

This a great thread. I have a 1984 FActory Turbo look that I wil lbegin backdating this spring, althoug it already has a ducktail set up. I have lindsay racing wheels ordered with RSR finish. My quandry is the front end mods..Love the long hood look, just squeamish about the required mods...The back will recieve a pre-74 RSr bumper...This thread is good inspiration and info--particulary intrigued by possible "kit" for front...

Any thoughts, suggestions etc...

bigrubberjeep · 01-22-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by AbbyAk
This a great thread. I have a 1984 FActory Turbo look that I wil lbegin backdating this spring, althoug it already has a ducktail set up. I have lindsay racing wheels ordered with RSR finish. My quandry is the front end mods..Love the long hood look, just squeamish about the required mods...The back will recieve a pre-74 RSr bumper...This thread is good inspiration and info--particulary intrigued by possible "kit" for front...

Any thoughts, suggestions etc...

Your chopping 1 of less then 400 cars made that year with the turbo look option? Ouch!

You do know the Factory tubo look is a veyr limited edition right?

I mean I lov elong hoods too, but you might be better off buying an ORIGINAL long hood and adding flares.

Then again, go ahead, chop it, it will make my Turbo look that much more limited. (J/K)

klaucke · 01-22-2005, 01:03 PM

I say backdate your Turbo Look. Even if it is one of "400" its still only a Turbo Look and not a Turbo. Although the market may be strong for these cars, I can't see them as being exceptionally collectable. I think it will look far sweeter as a backdated.

AbbyAk · 01-22-2005, 03:24 PM

Hi ,

Thanks for the input. Yes, I do realize how many were made. Thus I am squeamish about changing the front end. To me the back end can be re-updated without a terrible amount of effort. The ducktails is a basically a minimal effort swap, the rear bumper involves remving a few spot welds.

That said, not sure that these cars will be highly collectible. This is a nice example with 70,000 miles and overall is in very nice shape, but I do like the idea of the decent turbo suspension and body with the look of the older cars...

MotoSook · 01-22-2005, 03:26 PM

The fenders are easy to remove compared to a lot of other work on a 911. The rear can be convered without cutting or drilling out the reflector mounting sheet metal. A backdate is reversible!

Jens · Jens's Garage

Abbyak, the front end long hood conversion does NOT reguire any permanent modifications and is completely bolt-off/bolt-on reversible. The front fenders do NOT have to be removed.

This is the beauty of the Series 900 setup.

Jens · Jens's Garage

Souk, the rear end backdate does require that the reflector backing panel be removed. It's not a big deal at all though.

MotoSook · 01-22-2005, 04:04 PM

Jens, If the backdate is performed with the traditional RS or RS bumper, yes the reflector panel needs to come off, but there are options to get around that. You are right, it's not a big deal. I took my panel off in less than a hour...and that included quite a bit of time staring at the panel and trying to get up the nads to take it off

Brother · 01-22-2005, 04:12 PM

SC rocker panel delete -- anything special involved in this except undoing the bolts?

MotoSook · 01-22-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Brother
SC rocker panel delete -- anything special involved in this except undoing the bolts?

Nothing special, but you may find that touch up painting may be needed. I filled the holes on my car with a small weld and grounded smooth for final body prepping.

bigrubberjeep · 01-22-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by klaucke
I say backdate your Turbo Look. Even if it is one of "400" its still only a Turbo Look and not a Turbo. Although the market may be strong for these cars, I can't see them as being exceptionally collectable. I think it will look far sweeter as a backdated.

It 's not really about being exceptionally collectable, it's just about having the best Carrera N/A sports car made by Porsche that still had "Porsche" soul.

Remember, Tubo look is also known as Supersport back in it's original home (Country), it's for a reason.

But again, do as you will. Regardless of what route you go, it will end up being a very nice car.

(When reading this, keep in mind I have been without y car for over 2 weeks, I'm hurting)

dean · 01-23-2005, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by Souk
Jens, If the backdate is performed with the traditional RS or RS bumper, yes the reflector panel needs to come off, but there are options to get around that. You are right, it's not a big deal. I took my panel off in less than a hour...and that included quite a bit of time staring at the panel and trying to get up the nads to take it off

Hey Souk,

Where would I find info on backdating the rear without cutting the panel. I want to do the backdate but don't want to cut.

Thank you

Glasgow 911SC · Glasgow 911SC's Garage

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Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
It 's not really about being exceptionally collectable, it's just about having the best Carrera N/A sports car made by Porsche that still had "Porsche" soul.

Are you talking about the 993 or the Carrera Clubsport

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Originally posted by bigrubberjeep
Remember, Tubo look is also known as Supersport back in it's original home (Country), it's for a reason.

I think that's more of a marketing thing. The Supersport is slower and heavier than it's narrow bodied sibbling.

Jens · Jens's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by Souk
Jens, If the backdate is performed with the traditional RS or RS bumper, yes the reflector panel needs to come off, but there are options to get around that.

I guess it can be converted to anything at all, but in the context of backdating, the panel has to come out. I wouldn't have any qualms at all about cutting the backer panel out, because if you want to reverse it, it can be re-installed without even disturbing the body paint. Fairly painless overall.

Having said that, I still haven't taken the plunge with my white car!! I'm not all that unhappy with my car's look, maybe it's a money objection.

But, I really do like the long hood better.

bigrubberjeep · 01-23-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by Glasgow 911SC
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I think that's more of a marketing thing. The Supersport is slower and heavier than it's narrow bodied sibbling.

Well actually that's only one thing since it is slower on a 1/4 mile due to it being heavier.

But if you take it to the track, with the same driver, I would think the "supersport would be quicker lap due to it's better brakes and suspension.

JMO