Rust on my faux "stainless" Danske !!!??

[Craig 930 RS]

DATA POINT:

@@Dane - My *Monty* looks the SAME as your Dansk @@


Craig
@RS

[island911]

Yep, like Doug and others have said; the outer shell is SS, the innards are not.

I thought everyone (here) knew this. . . .also the reason why SSI has been talking about an ALL SS muffler. (their big selling point; unlike Dansk "SS" mufflers. . .)

FWIW, the shell is the most susceptible to condensation pooling (rust driver). . .so having a SS outer shell is certainly a plus. Though I, like Kurt bought the painted (SS) Dansk and saved myself a couple of hundred dollars. I mean c'mon it's a freak'n muffler. How much polish does that turd need?

[Scooter]

Originally posted by island911
I thought everyone (here) knew this. . . .also the reason why SSI has been talking about an ALL SS muffler. (their big selling point; unlike Dansk "SS" mufflers. . .)

Obviously not "eveyone"

[rdane]

Just got off the phone to Danskman and GHL.

Couple of comments from those conversations. I get no magnetic signature from the rest of the Dansk muffler and am told all the internals are indeed 300 series stainless. The intake flanges are a cast alloy that will rust.

The warrenty from Dansk is 12 months. My concerns would not be considered a warrenty issue.

I have been happy to this point with the Dansk product.

Turns out that GHL builds their stainless muffler from a 300 series stainless as well. And that their intake flanges are also cast iron. Geeze another sort of stainless muffler.

What I am extremely unhappy about is Dansk (intentionally IMO and you can add GHL to this list ) and Pelican (unintentionally as they are reprinting ad copy IMO) have misrepresented the product as a stainless muffler...which it is clearly not in layman's terms. I bought what I was thinking was a 100% stainless product.....and every part was shiny and bright out of the package. For the increase in price I expected a durable and a long term cosmetically attractive muffler.

The upside to all this is the B&B and the Monte are indeed 100% stainless inside and out.

What I recieved and am now stuck with months later, is less than I bargained for.

[Doug Zielke]

You should buy a B&B. Then you'd see what real garbage is about.

[Wil Ferch]

Even the Porsche pieces in some cases are built like this... a lower grade of stainless for the body / housing, and flanges that look like they can rust. Example...Euro pre-muffler ( yes... I looked....official part numbers, etc are stamped in-place and the internals are much too complicated to be counterfeit)....
--Wil

Edit: like some people here, I too work in different grades of material, and we should be careful in going as far to say that what was found is carbon steel.
9% nickel steel acts very much like stainless, is even cryogenic temperature suitable...but creates a tightly adhering rust "bloom" that is very tough to get off. The stuff that some muffler mfgrs use might be 9 nickel or a close match to that. If so, I wouldn't worry too much as the blemish is mostly superficial.

[911ctS]

So they said the guts of the SS Dansk are in fact SS? Thats good news!! If the only carbon steel parts of the muffler are the flanges then I wouldn't worry about it. They should have done them in SS but at least the important (non repairable) parts are SS. So they claim...

[Danskman]

rdane... thanks for your call this morning. As we discussed, I hope we can bring this to some conclusion that satisfies you.

Let's get this cleared up once and for all. All interior components of the Dansk polished stainless steel sport mufflers are made of stainless steel. The exterior of the mffler is also stainless steel.

On the dual inlet sport mufflers, the inlet pipes and flanges are cast. I am double checking right now, but I believe on the single inlet sport mufflers, the inlet pipe is stainless and the just the actual flange is cast. I'll confirm this and post my findings.

This light surface rust in no way will hinder the performance, sound, or longevity of the muffler. You can confirm with Wayne that even the SSI's on his showroom floor have this light surface rust, and have never even been installed on a car.

Generally speaking, a muffler is not a cosmetic item. It is produced to function properly in the exhaust sytem on a vehicle. If a person is looking to keep exhaust components in cosmetically pristine condition, even stainless steel components will have to be cleaned and maintained in order to keep that appearance. As evidenced by Wayne's SSI's on the showroom floor, a pristine appearance will not last, even though the functionality will.

While some comments infer that Dansk is producing sub-quality products, this is definitely not the case. Considering fit, finish, long-term durability and performance, Dansk products are of excellent quality and perform well. Dansk continues to supply many products to Porsche as original equipment. Porsche engineers are in the Dansk factory on a regular basis inspecting materials, production methods, and finished products. I believe that speaks for itself.

As always, I am available to answer your questions and give you as much information as needed about Dansk products. As a manufacturer, we support Pelican Parts and all our distributors in their dealings with our products. Should anyone have any questions, or like to chat, please feel free to give me a call at 530-676-7246.

[KTL]

Originally posted by Doug Zielke
You should buy a B&B. Then you'd see what real garbage is about.

I'll second that comment.

[doozer]

Take the non stainless parts and have them ceramic coated - it looks like stainless when they are done and they can do the insidde and outside at the same time.

http://www.jet-hot.com/

[KTL]

I was going to mention ceramic coating too.

One thing to keep in mind. They don't coat the inside and outside of mufflers. Just the outside.

And never, NEVER have anything ceramic coated that is a slip-fit. For instance, like those mufflers that have slip-on outlet pipes. I had a B&B muffler for a header system and those have slip joints. Those outlet pipes (and one of the inlet pipes) were brutal to slide on & off.

[Wayne 962]

Originally posted by rdane
What I am extremely unhappy about is Dansk (intentionally IMO and you can add GHL to this list ) and Pelican (unintentionally as they are reprinting ad copy IMO) have misrepresented the product as a stainless muffler...which it is clearly not in layman's terms. I bought what I was thinking was a 100% stainless product.....and every part was shiny and bright out of the package. For the increase in price I expected a durable and a long term cosmetically attractive muffler.

This is all news to me. Pelican *does* stand behind its products. The catalog is apparently misleading on this issue, and I have instructed Eugene to add the following statement to the catalog: "Flanges are cast steel".

If you are unhappy with the muffler at this time, I will buy it back from you and give you a $439 credit at Pelican. You can send it to my attention at:

Pelican Parts
Attn: Wayne R. Dempsey
120 Standard Street
El Segundo, CA 90245

-Wayne

[Rot 911]

Originally posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts
If you are unhappy with the muffler at this time, I will buy it back from you and give you a $439 credit at Pelican. You can send it to my attention at:

Wow, talk about standing behind what you sell.

[pohsche]

Wayne KNOWS how to do Business. Wayne if he sends it back and you don't want to be stuck with it , PM me with a price and I'll buy it off you. Your ethics are excellent.

Alan Poh
'77 Carrera 3.0

[maxnine11]

Here is a picture from a fellow who did the Jet-Coat thing to his whole 993 exhaust system. IIRC the total cost was a little over $400.
He says he had the same done to a previous 911, and it stayed looking very good over time.



max

[toolman]

One can not argue with that !

[rdane]

Wayne, my hat is off to you, as a business man and more importantly as someone who stands behind their business just as I do. I really appreciate the offer.

My point has been made about the stainless Dansk and Pelican stood behind their products as always.

Thank you Wayne. The money wasn't the issue, the quality of the product is. But again I do appreciate the offer and you couldn't have done more, thank you again, but I won't take you up on it. My issues on the subject end here.

No one has better customer service than Pelican.

(Wayne, let me know when you start selling Monty's and I'll make an order)

[chrisp]

I have a couple of thoughts:

1.) Caveat emptor

2.) When you buy aftermarket parts you should always be very wary of their construction and performance. I like Dansk. Dansk was very helpful to me when I was deciding which to get. I bought a used muffler and they still gave me the time and help needed to sort out my questions.

3.) Stainless would be called "rust proof" if it was such. Stainless will rust. It gets it's name from it's tendency to "stain" "less" than XXXXXX.

4.) Anyone who wants a mirror finish on a muffler is okay in my book. What's not okay is when they want this finish to last after having driven the car. Your muffler will last much longer than if it were made out of regular steel. For that, the upcharge is worth it and you weren't ripped off.

5.) You got a great product that is perhaps letting you down in the last 5%. Perhaps you are being let down by something it was never designed or marketed to do. Did you expect more from it than it could ever deliver? Don't make it sound like it's a P.O.S. and you are getting screwed by the man.

6.) Wayne is going above and beyond on this one and hopefully the muffler will never appear on his doorstep.

7.) The internet and forums like this are dangerous places. You can severly tarnish someone's image by tossing out comments. I am not saying yours are well founded or not...just be careful and respect that your audience may take your word as gospel.

I am not sure why this struck a chord with me but it did.

[azasadny]

This post is a perfect example of why I buy my new parts from Pelican Parts. Wayne, you've got a customer for life here.

[Scooter]

Originally posted by chrisp
I have a couple of thoughts:

1.) Caveat emptor

2.) When you buy aftermarket parts you should always be very wary of their construction and performance. I like Dansk. Dansk was very helpful to me when I was deciding which to get. I bought a used muffler and they still gave me the time and help needed to sort out my questions.

3.) Stainless would be called "rust proof" if it was such. Stainless will rust. It gets it's name from it's tendency to "stain" "less" than XXXXXX.

4.) Anyone who wants a mirror finish on a muffler is okay in my book. What's not okay is when they want this finish to last after having driven the car. Your muffler will last much longer than if it were made out of regular steel. For that, the upcharge is worth it and you weren't ripped off.

5.) You got a great product that is perhaps letting you down in the last 5%. Perhaps you are being let down by something it was never designed or marketed to do. Did you expect more from it than it could ever deliver? Don't make it sound like it's a P.O.S. and you are getting screwed by the man.

6.) Wayne is going above and beyond on this one and hopefully the muffler will never appear on his doorstep.

7.) The internet and forums like this are dangerous places. You can severly tarnish someone's image by tossing out comments. I am not saying yours are well founded or not...just be careful and respect that your audience may take your word as gospel.

I am not sure why this struck a chord with me but it did.

Unfortunately, I think you are completely missing the point. Rdane's comments WERE well founded and not "tossed out". Furthermore, I believe the thoughts presented were careful and truthful. Wayne has acknowledged that the language describing the muffler needs to be changed, because it is misleading. He has taken the appropriate step by asking Eugene to amend the description. In other words, Wayne did the right thing. I believe this thread was not only relevant, but a great example of why this site is so important.