Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > Porsche 911 Technical Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
bigrubberjeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Corona, CA
Posts: 3,336
Any reason to have a chip mode/non-chipped mode?

Any reason to have a chip mode/non-chipped mode at the flick of a switch?

I thought I had seen this in the past, just cant find it.

__________________
85 911 SuperSport
No more looking! The jewel is mine!
89 Jeep Wrangler
A jewel in the rough
2000 Grand Cherokee
Family Wagon with Jewels on board
Old 09-02-2004, 08:13 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
Registered
 
magilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Swampscott, MA USA
Posts: 531
I think the reasoning was for performance on one side, and stock on the other. The stock would be better for fuel economy and for emission inspections.

The one you are referring to is likely the "no bad days" (sp?) chip. I think Ingo and MikeZ might be involved somehow.
__________________
'83 SC Coupe- Blk/Blk
'03 Daughter- 10fingers/10toes
Old 09-02-2004, 08:17 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
Certified Pre-Owned
 
BGCarrera32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Nanny State
Posts: 3,132
I don't have the luxury of a switch, but I did have a chip burned with a 2800 RPM rev limiter if it ever needs to go to the body shop. Should keep the car in the parking lot...
__________________
'84 Carrera Coupe
Old 09-02-2004, 08:21 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Hilbilly Deluxe
 
emcon5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Reno
Posts: 6,492
Garage
Smog checks and fuel quality immediately come to mind.

Tom
__________________
82 911SC Coupe
GTI Cup #43
Old 09-02-2004, 08:22 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Registered
 
bigrubberjeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Corona, CA
Posts: 3,336
Is it a good "makes sence" idea for the sake of fule economy, or is it easier just to swap chips for emissions since fuel economy wont bemuch different?
__________________
85 911 SuperSport
No more looking! The jewel is mine!
89 Jeep Wrangler
A jewel in the rough
2000 Grand Cherokee
Family Wagon with Jewels on board
Old 09-02-2004, 08:26 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Galivants Ferry, SC
Posts: 10,550
I've seen this offered for 944's.

A "plug" is insertd into the motherboard and a cable with two receptacles 'hangs out" outside of the box. Something like that. Wouls make chip change-out easy w/o opening th box.

Emissions, etc. as stated would be another influence....

--Wil
__________________
Wil Ferch
85 Carrera ( gone, but not forgotten )
Old 09-02-2004, 08:50 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
Certified Pre-Owned
 
BGCarrera32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Nanny State
Posts: 3,132
http://frwilk.com/944dme/

Click on dual EEPROM adapter
__________________
'84 Carrera Coupe
Old 09-02-2004, 09:03 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Administrator
 
Jack Olsen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 13,333
I have the NBD chip, with the switch. I only run the performance settng with 94 octane fuel. My concern would be the risk of pinging with poorer fuel, which is all that's available in California. I don't believe there's a two-position chip available for 3.2's, which is a shame, since there's no knock sensor on those motors. In my opinion, NBD and Steve W should get together and make this happen.
Old 09-02-2004, 09:42 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Galivants Ferry, SC
Posts: 10,550
Jack:
The conceptual problem I have with the switch is what do you do when you have a "blend" of fuels ? You typically don't run either case to a "dry" tank condition.

What's really needed is a dynamic system that adjusts automatically, by retarding timing and "X"....when there is imminent pre-detonation...like today's modern cars....going back up when higher octane fuel is sensed.

Wil
__________________
Wil Ferch
85 Carrera ( gone, but not forgotten )
Old 09-02-2004, 09:58 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
bigrubberjeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Corona, CA
Posts: 3,336
I am hoping Steve chimes in with some "good news"
__________________
85 911 SuperSport
No more looking! The jewel is mine!
89 Jeep Wrangler
A jewel in the rough
2000 Grand Cherokee
Family Wagon with Jewels on board
Old 09-02-2004, 10:00 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
Original Owner
 
tsuter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 1,907
I have an electronic "chipswitch" on my key fob for the VW NB. Three installed programs: Race, Stock, Valet.
Anyone got teen age drivers?? You figure it out.
__________________
tsuter
78 911SC Turbo Targa
Thaaaats Right!!
Old 09-02-2004, 02:08 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Irrationally exuberant
 
ChrisBennet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Nashua, NH USA
Posts: 8,164
Garage
The multimap 3.2 chip is "known technology" to Steve W and other the DME hackers on the board.
-Chris
__________________
'80 911 Nogaro blue Phoenix!
'07 BMW 328i 245K miles!
http://members.rennlist.org/messinwith911s/
Old 09-02-2004, 02:34 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
buttjoint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: so cal
Posts: 569
I have the steve w chip in my 3.2 and no problem passing emisions.
Old 09-02-2004, 03:27 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: D.C. Suburbia
Posts: 731
I'm no DME hacker, but it seems like it would be very easy to do, really. The chip for a 3.2 DME is what - a 27C64? Get a 27C128, burn both maps in it, and toggle the A13 line with a buffered switch. Whether on nor you should do it is another question.
__________________
Chris M
1985 911 Carrera w/ 3.6
Old 09-02-2004, 06:07 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Irrationally exuberant
 
ChrisBennet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Nashua, NH USA
Posts: 8,164
Garage
Quote:
Originally posted by jazzbass
I'm no DME hacker, but it seems like it would be very easy to do, really. The chip for a 3.2 DME is what - a 27C64? Get a 27C128, burn both maps in it, and toggle the A13 line with a buffered switch. Whether on nor you should do it is another question.
Bingo. You can even have 4 maps with a 27C256. They don't even buffer the switch (which seems a little odd but apparently works).
-Chris
__________________
'80 911 Nogaro blue Phoenix!
'07 BMW 328i 245K miles!
http://members.rennlist.org/messinwith911s/
Old 09-02-2004, 06:51 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: D.C. Suburbia
Posts: 731
Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisBennet
They don't even buffer the switch (which seems a little odd but apparently works).
-Chris
I personally would be uncomforable with that. For me, I'd wire the switch into the input of a D flip-flop and hook the clock input of the f/f to a R/C delayed rising edge. Capture the switch state at power on and keep it that way until power down. I don't like the idea of maps randomly changing while driving. But that's just me.
__________________
Chris M
1985 911 Carrera w/ 3.6
Old 09-02-2004, 07:02 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: wichita,kansas
Posts: 1,148
Garage
no! in short if you bought a Steve Wong chip, you have a better running car so why would you want to go back.

Keith Epperly 87 turbo look carrera cabriolet opps forgot slant nose!
Old 09-02-2004, 07:29 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
Registered
 
bigrubberjeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Corona, CA
Posts: 3,336
Quote:
Originally posted by kepperly
no! in short if you bought a Steve Wong chip, you have a better running car so why would you want to go back.

Keith Epperly 87 turbo look carrera cabriolet opps forgot slant nose!
That's the point of my question.

__________________
85 911 SuperSport
No more looking! The jewel is mine!
89 Jeep Wrangler
A jewel in the rough
2000 Grand Cherokee
Family Wagon with Jewels on board
Old 09-02-2004, 08:05 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #18 (permalink)
Reply


 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:28 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.