For less than a Carrera, you get more than a Turbo

[dd74]

What's the depreciation of Z06s from two years ago? How much did they sell for then, and how much now on the used market? Anyone know?

[Craig 930 RS]

I like:

492HP
442TQ

Weight of 2580 lbs
$45,000 +/-

Now there's a car I would buy

[ianc]

Sounds pretty impressive, but 7 liters? So much for 'less is more'.

kqw is on the money as far as I can see.

Ah hell, I just can't get excited about new cars any more...

ianc

[silverc4s]

Originally posted by Flying Toaster
Why with all the alumnium & CF is it still over 3k lbs?

Doesn't the Carrera GT weigh over 3000 lbs as well? Its almost all CF and light alloys. I think that it takes a certaiun amount of structure to control 500 to 600 hp in a street vehicle. If it was at 2500 lbs it would be pretty scary under full acccel/decel loads.

[s2per]

After a few years of depreciation, after I finish my new house, and after my daughter gets out of college, I could see buying one as a street/track toy. Don't know if my friends would disown me, though.

Of course it'll squeak, rattle and have service issues like any other used 'vette, but 505 horsies??? 427 cubic inches??? Who needs a 6-speed? With a Powerglide, it would still fly.

[kqw]

Originally posted by Craig911
Waiting for a few years.......good idea

Good idea however, GM will have put out another Corvette model that supposedly is more reliable, more road worthy, stiffer suspension, better engineering, all the nagging issues solved and...ONCE AGAIN...Ladies and Gentlemen..the best Vette ever.

Forget the issues that were inherent in the Z06..we've solved those issues. NOW this one is the best....and it's only $85K....

[RarlyL8]

Here's some pricing info as found on the same forum Jack originally posted from:

[Emission]

That's a very expensive CD-changer...

The base price of the car is very respectable, but they ream you on the CD-changer!

[JeremyD]

Curb Weight 3,043 lbs. for the CGT

[cygtoad]

I would like to Porsche go the other way with the Cayman. Light and fast is how Porsche managed to compete in the past against cars like the Cobra with the 550 Spyder.

The 911 has become as bloated as the older Vettes used to be. As someone previously mentioned the only way up for the 911 is a v-8 power plant, (YUK!) or to go on one hell of a diet.

If I were managing Porsche I would continue to produce the 911 for the traditional buyer, introduce the Cayman as they have done for the entry level buyer, and lastly put some insane power into the Cayman and price it along side the 911.

What will save Porsche in the end will be a return to their roots. That is, if they are not paralyzed by their fear of ruining the 911 cash cow to do it.

[ZAMIRZ]

Originally posted by dd74
That's why you wait 3-5 years, then pick one up. Those things aren't going to be worth anything close to $65K in 36 months after purchase.

Used 'vette is a bad bad idea. They fall apart in anything but the most cautious hands. Speaking from personal experience, I'd never ever buy one used.

[JeremyD]

I did see where Porsche was considering a club sport version of the cayman. Hopefully we can catch the new zo7 in the corners and with late braking

[stealthn]

But I still have all my hair....

Yes indeed 500+ HP M5(6), Vettes, horse power=good, cost of gas=bad

[Hawktel]

Domestic is looking better and getter. My friend has a 04 Cobra Stang and its getting to be a impressive car.

He's actually working on the suspension, putting in some full race suspension into it. 10 years ago he'd just talk about his quarter mile times. Now he bought the suspension before upgrading the engine at all, and hoping I get a 911 before Miller opens the new race track here in Salt Lake City, so he can whup me.

I'm pretty sure he can whup me, he is a better driver, but before I felt I had a technical edge. Now, I don't think I have one at all.

[dd74]

Originally posted by cygtoad

What will save Porsche in the end will be a return to their roots. That is, if they are not paralyzed by their fear of ruining the 911 cash cow to do it.

Save Porsche from what? Their cars are selling as well as ever - at least down/out here in L.A. I see Cayanne SUVs everywhere. Porsche automobiles are plentiful on the roads as well.

Where there is confusion, possibly, lay in the changed Porsche customer. They are not us. The ones plunking down $85,000 for a 997, isn't concerned with suspension mods, corner balancing and future engine transplants. The Porsche SUV owner even less so.

Oddly, it seems to be the reverse for Corvette owners. Where not too long ago the Corvette owners were just everyday drivers looking for cool cars, Corvettes are now written (by the magazines, ad campaigns, etc.) and talked
of as track-day cars...in much the way Porsches used to be talked about. Meanwhile, Porsche is being advertised as an SUV manufacturer...but a successful SUV manufacturer nonetheless.

No, I don't think Porsche needs to be saved. It's us, the enthusiasts who need, if not saving, enlightening. Possibly if we want new-old cars in the next ten to twenty years, a different car manufacturer altogether.

[bigrubberjeep]

I'm looking into maybe the new M3 "Track" model. Anyone seen it? Or even the new 05 Cobra Stang.

Yes I said it.

[bigrubberjeep]

I like it

[dd74]

Originally posted by Hawktel
...but before I felt I had a technical edge. Now, I don't think I have one at all.

Yes, sometimes I think the same thing - not on the track because I'm not that good a track driver - but on the street where the air-cooled, torsion bar style of technology, has long since been surpassed. Sometimes I think of buying another Porsche - a 964 or 993, maybe a 930 but aside from the obvious of a 930 - and now what I hear are CIS-related turbo parts getting hard to find and expensive to repair, I sort of shy away from the prospect of another 911 variant.

What to replace it with? I don't know. I've spoken to some racers and seen in person the Lotus Elise. The new Mustang GT looks nice, particularly the Shelby, the S2000, the EVOs and WRXs, even the 2006 GTI and the new RX-8 looks interesting, both of which are much more versatile than a 911.

The Corvette, IMHO, is just sort of Mitsubishi looking in the front and uninspired in back.

Even modifying my 911 any further has come to me as a ridiculous exercise in futility of not just reinventing the wheel, but trying to stay up with hardware thirty years younger than it. It's a no-win situation.

Granted, it'd take a lot to pry my current 911 from my hands. But it'd take an equal amount of excitement to put me in another Porsche, and I just don't see that happening right now.

[sc]

The Z06- LS7 is a 427ci/ 7liter "SMALL BLOCK"!!!!!-Yikes!

[pwd72s]

One thing the pricing doesn't tell you. GM doesn't charge a dime for the tattle-tale "Black Box" that is standard equipment in ALL GM vehicles. For that reason alone, I'll never buy one. It's like having a cop, ticket book in hand, riding in your car...