3.6 swaps are they REALLY all that and then some??

[htron435]

Originally posted by Erik Mckenna
Anyone in The local Dayton, Cinci, IN, area have a 3.6 swap i can hop a ride in?

Come out to MidOhio this weekend, or drive over to Springfield some afternoon. Mine's a stock 3.6 with chip, exhaust, etc that dyno'd at 267. Ask Farler about it next time you talk to him -- he was very complimentary of the car and the workmanship.

[petevb]

Very highly recommended. Clearly the way to do it from a financial point of view is to buy one already built, if you can find the right one. With that quick plug, I'll say I'm selling one of mine here soon- should have an ad up in the next couple days. White '73 RS look, 280 at the wheels, sub 2200 lbs, wevo, jrz, etc. With the market up like it has been recently I'm asking 42 to start with.


And don't take my sale as a vote against 3.6 transplants- I'm only selling to finance the other one, almost done, which is wilder still.
The turbo cars are of course crazy impressive, but having owned both I prefer the powerful NA cars.

[k9handler]

while I have a BIG list of things to improve on the car, I have never thought back and said "I shouldn't have done that swap". Eric it's that good...reliable power that makes the little 911 just better!

[SalazarS2K]

Eric, if I remember correctly, your car is already sorted out in the brakes and suspension department since you track the car frequently. Thus, all the costs left would be the 3.6, cooling, and possibly a new clutch. Thus you are looking at the following costs:

964 3.6 ~ $6500
Oil cooler ~ $1000
New lines ~$300-$500?
Clutch ~ $500
3.6 conversion kit ~ $1500-$2000
Headers ~ $300- $1500 (993 HEs best pricewise)
Muffler ~ $400-$1200 (Custom Dynamax/Flowmaster at the lowend, $500 M&K/Triad bolt on)
Misc. ~ $200- $400 (you never know what additional fittings you might need or break )

Subtract about ~ $2000-$2500 for your 3.0?

The biggest savings you can have will be performing most of the labor yourself. The costs above get close to ~$12k and subtract our old motor will net ~ $10k. I was surprised I was able to perform this conversion in my garage with a friend's help. There are quite a few pelicans in the country now that has performed the conversion and would be happy to help you out. Or ask us?

The other method would be to sell what you have currently and pick up another car that already performed this conversion.

[jevvy]

SalazarS2K summary of numbers is pretty good and close to what mine cost. I have managed to get by with the standard 3.2 oil cooler with improved air flow for when pressing on and a spal fan for when in traffic, I haven't seen much above the first white line other then 1 time on track.

In my opinion the main things that make a 3.6 swap a good option are finding a good engine and doing it DIY. Start with a duff engine and you are back at square 1 before you start. There is no denying it the 3.6 swap take a bit of time to get right and if you are paying a shop to do this work then it gets expensive real quick.

I say do it, I LOVE mine and wouldn't swap it for pretty much anything now - didnt use to feel quite like that about the 3.2 it replaced. Like others this was my first big 911 project and once you get going its all pretty easy and logical, if you have done 911 suspension you can do a 3.6 swap.

[rattlsnak]

For whats its worth, ive done two 3.6 swaps of my own, and although they are obviously faster than stock 3.0, 3.2 or whatever, none of them compare to the 3.3 C2Turbo swap into othe SC i did a few years back. Its cheaper than a 3.6 swap, and feels 2x faster.