The 40k 996 GT3?

[drystack]

There's a lot of chatter of early GT3s in the low $50k-high 40k range. I sure can't find them. Can someone please share the wealth for those of us on the outside? How about some links?

Thanks!

Matt

[ChkbookMechanic]

Try Autotrader.com, I found a few there for around that range.

[Elombard]

Try Cars.com too. Also Ebay has that one in Alabama for high 40s. I think it has some history though, which may be OK depending on use.

Also, the 996 GT3 forum on rennlist always has a few members advertising (in the forum not always on the cars for sale board).

I just wonder about the cost on those when you need a valve job or tranny synchros or somehthing like that down the road. I guess they are outta my league because of the rarity...I sure do like them.

[kenikh]

Last quote I heard was $30K on an engine rebuild for a GT3. I am certain a skilled board member could do it given the right resources. But MAN!!!

You have to be careful on the GT3s as the Titanium bits become hour rated when these cars are raced and RPMs around 8K are regularly attained.

[ZAMIRZ]

What people are asking and what they're taking are two different things. 40K GT3s are out there.

Originally Posted by kenikh

Last quote I heard was $30K on an engine rebuild for a GT3. I am certain a skilled board member could do it given the right resources. But MAN!!!

Who quoted that and what is their hourly labor rate? Are you sure they weren't talking about rebuilding a cup motor?

[kenikh]

Originally Posted by ZAMIRZ

What people are asking and what they're taking are two different things. 40K GT3s are out there.



Who quoted that and what is their hourly labor rate? Are you sure they weren't talking about rebuilding a cup motor?

Can't remember who, was probably Burn Bros. It was in casual conversation. And yes, the Cup Car comparison is 100% appropriate.

[Elombard]

So Amir

15 years down the road my 180K mile GT3 needs a rebuild. WIll parts be available for such a rare car?

What do you think the cost range will be in todays dollars?

I dont know about the Cup Car comparison, I am thinking they save nothing but the case and maybe the heads on those? New Crank, Rods, Pistons, cams, valves etc? Maybe thats not right.

For a street occasional DE car you could probably re-use a lot more stuff.

What say ye?

[kenikh]

My understanding is that the major stress point in these cars are the rods. P/Cs will always be available, as will rods (for a price), albeit perhaps not the OEM Pankls. My worry is unforeseen one-off parts. I ran into this issue with my '65 911 with the center lube cam seals. Items like that, if they exist, will be the bugger of the lot.

[ZAMIRZ]

Originally Posted by Elombard

So Amir

15 years down the road my 180K mile GT3 needs a rebuild. WIll parts be available for such a rare car?

What do you think the cost range will be in todays dollars?

I dont know about the Cup Car comparison, I am thinking they save nothing but the case and maybe the heads on those? New Crank, Rods, Pistons, cams, valves etc? Maybe thats not right.

For a street occasional DE car you could probably re-use a lot more stuff.

What say ye?

I don't know, we might all be driving hydrogen fuel cell Porsches by then

But, the engine is based off of the '98 GT1 engine, which uses the same case as the '94 Turbo 3.6, but with water-cooled heads. I would say it's safe to assume there will be support for the motor. But with a 180K miles, the "cheaply engineered", "planned obsolescence" interior will haven fallen apart.

The major components in the drivetrain / suspension on these cars are still built solid as a rock, it's just all the other ***** that I'd be worried about.

I think a basic rebuild runs between 18 and 25K on that particular motor. If you want to start swapping in cup car parts and doing all kinds of fancy machining and porting, and then getting someone to come and tune it, you're probably near that $40K figure kenikh is talking about.

[Elombard]

Hmm 18-25K I dont think my 401K will support that. :-)

[DasBoot]

Originally Posted by drystack

There's a lot of chatter of early GT3s in the low $50k-high 40k range. I sure can't find them. Can someone please share the wealth for those of us on the outside? How about some links?
Matt

Find a "high-line" car auction in your area. I have a friend who is a dealer and comes back from the auction telling me about all the cars that went through and didn't sell. Porsche, Jags, Vipers and the occasional Ferrari, that didn't sell or went for pennies on the dollar. I'm not talking about "Barrett-Jackson" type auctions, but wholesale (dealer-only) auctions. That's where you'll find the deals.

[YTNUKLR]

You can use 3.0 SC Rods & ARP 3.0 Bolts as a direct swap. Definitely good for 8k. That is, assuming the Pankls are NLA. $30-40K rebuild? Send it my way...

[kenikh]

Originally Posted by YTNUKLR

You can use 3.0 SC Rods & ARP 3.0 Bolts as a direct swap. Definitely good for 8k. That is, assuming the Pankls are NLA. $30-40K rebuild? Send it my way...

Yep or even better aftermarket SC spec rods.

[Reaper930]

Originally Posted by ZAMIRZ

But with a 180K miles, the "cheaply engineered", "planned obsolescence" interior will haven fallen apart.

Where's the problem with that? Just makes it easier to stip down to a real Porsche interior

The cost for rebuild can't be $25k for a GT3 motor...I can rebuild my 9xxhp 3.8tt for less than that unless you totally grendade the motor.

[kenikh]

Originally Posted by Reaper930

Where's the problem with that? Just makes it easier to stip down to a real Porsche interior

The cost for rebuild can't be $25k for a GT3 motor...I can rebuild my 9xxhp 3.8tt for less than that unless you totally grendade the motor.

All I know is what I am told. Complexity adds time and parts prices are high - damned Pankl rods are over $3000 a set.

[Elombard]

No offense Gabe your car is amazing but I dont think your 3.8TT is a comparison to a GT3 motor. Its kind of apples and oranges.

[Reaper930]

Originally Posted by Elombard

No offense Gabe your car is amazing but I dont think your 3.8TT is a comparison to a GT3 motor. Its kind of apples and oranges.

Certainly none taken either I'm not too well versed in the mechanics of the motors but I am pretty used to the pricing of repairs etc. and even with super expensive rods etc. I just can't imagine a NA motor costing that much to rebuild for a street going car. It just may be though.

I'd be very interested to find out! Just for giggles i'll have my buddy at the dealership give me a quote on a rebuild and we might get a better baseline that way.

[Elombard]

I think the major difference would be actually similar to doing a top shelf rebuild on a 3.6 993 NA motor. If you wanted to use new OEM everything it would be crazy expensive. If you had a rare car or a concours type situation, as would be common with a GT3 to preserve value then you would go with $3000 Prankles. Even though the aftermarket can now provide better cheaper solutions in many instances. Another example might be valve springs, the OEMs would be very high$$, equivalent or better quality from Jerry Woods or somewhere would probably be cheaper but might hurt the value on a low miles pristine example.

I dont know why a GT3 motor would be any more complex than other motors but it may be.

[RarlyL8]

You can spend stupid money on a rebuild if you go to the wrong place to have the work done.
I have heard so many horror stories from my clients about $10K piston/cylinder kits and $25K builds gone bad. And that is on a 930 engine!!
A local guy had the dealershop replace the clutch in his '96 GT2 to the tune of $5K! For a clutch!

[Elombard]

Lets say you do a basic rebuild on a GT3

R&R the motor 8 hrs
disassemble reassemble and clean 40 hrs??
Gaskets and hoses $500?
Bearings $500
Hardware $500
Con Rods After market $1500?
Rings $200
replace 5 valves $300?
Machine work $1,500?

So thats ~$5k in parts/outsource
and ~ 50hrs x $80/hr = $4000

So $9000 + $16,000 "Porsche Tax"??

I could see how you would go ahead and do new pistons, clutch, etc. etc. while you were in there that would add some Ks.

I am sure my estimates are off but I just cant see where it can cost $25K for a regular old "freshen it up" type rebuild.

School me, I really want one some day!