I think I found the first 911 motor

[356RS]

I'm thinking positive on this and hope it's the real thing.

[cgarr]

Wasn't the first a push rod twin fan engine? or was that the prototype and never produced?

[j911brick]

Originally Posted by ken_xman

He said something about he thought it was a from a 911L. I am not sure what year that would actually be. What about if its some sort of replacement case theory?? How are those numbered?

Replacement cases were not numbered (as far as I know).

[scottb]

Subscribing

[djpateman]

Originally Posted by cgarr

Wasn't the first a push rod twin fan engine? or was that the prototype and never produced?

Prototype only.

[Grady Clay]

OK guys, CHILL.

I just got off the phone with Ken driving home from looking at the engine.

It is 3080001.

It is indeed #1 … a 1968 911L RoW, not 1963-4.

Images to come.

Best,
Grady

[ken_xman]

Thanks Grady. Again.. a wealth of knowledge. Enclosed are some pictures hopefully giving a better idea of this motor. If anyone is interested in it, let me know.

[ken_xman]

Also... its owned buy a guy that does body repairs on 908's and other vintage racecars. He also has a Ferrari 512 racecar in his shop?? .. something like that. You never know who you might meet.

[911Freak]

Thanks for the follow through and pics!

Question for Grady, so this is the 1st 911 engine of production year 1968?

Can we determine what engine type this is? (911/xx or 901/xx etc)


Because it's not 'the 1st' 911 engine '63/64 era, what is this engine's significance? Am I missing a more profound significance here? (Probably)


Nonethless it'd be cool to have!

[ken_xman]

Originally Posted by 911Freak

Because it's not 'the 1st' 911 engine '63/64 era, what is this engine's significance? Am I missing a more profound significance here? (Probably)

I was wondering the same...

[djpateman]

Good news. It is type 901/06, and an aluminum case version. I'd REALLY like to know the build # on this engine (found just behind the serial #); see the thread I posted earlier. There will also be casting dates on each half behind the pulley (count the dots around the year).

[Grady Clay]

I guess the answer is it isn’t all that significant.
It is #1 for that model (type 901/06) engine but it may or may-not be #1 built for 1968 production.

This is where Pelican djpateman’s build list is so important.
The ‘build number’ just below the type number will help sort out the order in which the engines were actually built.

It may turn out that this is the first engine for ’68 production.
It is also possible that a 901/02 911S engine or a 901/14 USA engine proceeded the building of this engine.
I suppose even a 901/7/8/13/17 Sportomatic could be earlier.

The good news is that it is an aluminum case engine.
This will possibly make a nice core for a proper rebuild.

Thanks to Ken’s effort, another is ‘found’.

You can tell the interest in finding a very early engine.
Within an hour or so, this thread had over 1000 views and now approaching 2000.
Everyone should keep looking.
It would be wonderfully instructive to find a very early one unmolested.

Best,
Grady

[ken_xman]

Is this secondary number under the tin for the fan housing? And any other numbers ... the actual location. I should be able to have the owner get them to me.

[1982911SCTarga]

Grady and other historians and knowledge-preservers, would this engine's chassis soulmate have had a correspondingly oddball serial number (VIN) with lots of zeros in it? And the transaxle, too, for that matter?

Brian

[Wil Ferch]

Ya know....I don't want to come off like a jerk on this.....but c'mon......the number is

*3080001*.

Ahhh....quite obviously not 0000001 of anything.

Is it THAT MUCH of a stretch to see that the number starts with a ( *) star...so no new numbers can come before....and ends with a star for the same reason?. And what's this?.....the person originally reading the number kinda "forgets" the 308 in the front?.

This kinda stuff just torques me up.....

Sorry....back to your regular programming...but what are people thinking????

I know I'm gonna regret posting this, but sheeesh.....

[ken_xman]

Will. We now know its not the first, but the first one of a particular year. I am quite clear that I didnt get to personally view this motor before my first post... and was just filling in anyone interested as soon as i found out the information as well. Its not really the three millionth one. It doesnt start with just #000001.

[Wil Ferch]

ken_xman.....understood. OK

[djpateman]

Only one of these engines will be the first built for the 1968 model year, and that will be determined by the build #.

901/03 2080001
901/13 2180001
901/06 3080001 9214
901/07 3180001
901/14 3280001
901/17 3380001
901/30 3880001
901/02 4080001
901/08 4180001
901/22 5080001

you can see the build # below the type #

[ken_xman]

New news.....
The Type #'s are 901-06. For what ever that means. If someone would like to translate. Trying to figure the build number. This is all new to me. Will advise.
Ken

[djpateman]

It is a 911L engine 130 HP with Weber's
What we really want is the build # below the type #.
Dave