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kkinzli 12-03-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 7130034)
sure - find a hose shop for the good stuff

I think I will use a coat hanger to estimate the wt. of the bows. How many are there on your car?

I am just curious if the felt material used on the typ R saved any wt. ...

There were four bars. There were also the little rubber plugs at the end of the bars.

95avblm3 12-05-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kkinzli (Post 7129164)
I am getting ready to install the quarter windows with new seals and have been doing some research. It looks like it might be a pain but the following two links should help

Rubber Seal

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/495432-quarter-window-seal-pop-out-window-installatiion-question.html

Fitting pop out window to later 911s
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/347620-install-pop-out-rear-quarter-windows.html

Kristoph, late one night, while Jason and his brother-in-law worked on the deco strips for the bumpers on his '71, I installed the new seals on the quarter windows... My thumbs hurt after that! I haven't really looked at the links you posted, so sorry if I am repeating them but I used glycerin to lube the seals up. I don't recall exactly but if memory serves me, I started on the flat side of the window (leading edge), worked the corners, and the worked my way to the back. It took a while to develop good technique but eventually you can feel a slight pop or snap when the bead drops in. I'm not sure if it was the new seals or not but once all was done and the windows were installed, they didn't want to close fully... even with the latches closed, the back of the window stood slightly proud of the body. I wasn't present when the windows were removed, so perhaps the mounting tabs were slightly bent? Interested to know if you run into the same issue.

Cheers!

Trackrash 12-05-2012 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 7130034)
sure - find a hose shop for the good stuff

I think I will use a coat hanger to estimate the wt. of the bows. How many are there on your car?

I am just curious if the felt material used on the typ R saved any wt. ...

You could use 3/16" diameter aluminum rod instead of steel for the bows. This is what I used when I had to replace a couple of my original bows, since finding that size steel was impossible. It has worked fine, with no problems. I doubt you would be saving more than a few ounces of weight though.

wayner 12-05-2012 11:47 AM

Pelican sells the bows. They don't weigh much at all.

hun911 12-05-2012 02:53 PM

Hi Kristoph,

I'm not far from you. The same color as yours but different lightning conditions. :)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354747876.jpg

70SWT 12-05-2012 02:58 PM

On my 69t, the rear quarter windows are the same way - they really don't want to sit flush. I don't think anything is bent, I think they require very careful adjustment and even then don't recess fully into the window opening.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95avblm3 (Post 7132866)
Kristoph, late one night, while Jason and his brother-in-law worked on the deco strips for the bumpers on his '71, I installed the new seals on the quarter windows... My thumbs hurt after that! I haven't really looked at the links you posted, so sorry if I am repeating them but I used glycerin to lube the seals up. I don't recall exactly but if memory serves me, I started on the flat side of the window (leading edge), worked the corners, and the worked my way to the back. It took a while to develop good technique but eventually you can feel a slight pop or snap when the bead drops in. I'm not sure if it was the new seals or not but once all was done and the windows were installed, they didn't want to close fully... even with the latches closed, the back of the window stood slightly proud of the body. I wasn't present when the windows were removed, so perhaps the mounting tabs were slightly bent? Interested to know if you run into the same issue.

Cheers!


twtony 12-06-2012 09:30 AM

Hey Kristoph!

Here's a link the start of my thread. Very, very much a work in progress!

I should've started it back when I bought the car, but, hey ho, it's never too late!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-912-technical-forum/722516-saving-arizona-import-tonys-66-912-a.html#post7134948

Keep up the great work!

Twtony

MJHanna 12-06-2012 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95avblm3 (Post 7132866)
Kristoph, late one night, while Jason and his brother-in-law worked on the deco strips for the bumpers on his '71, I installed the new seals on the quarter windows... My thumbs hurt after that! I haven't really looked at the links you posted, so sorry if I am repeating them but I used glycerin to lube the seals up. I don't recall exactly but if memory serves me, I started on the flat side of the window (leading edge), worked the corners, and the worked my way to the back. It took a while to develop good technique but eventually you can feel a slight pop snap when the bead drops in. I'm not sure if it was the new seals or not but once all was done and the windows were installed, they didn't want to close fully... even with the latches closed, the back of the window stood slightly proud of the body. I wasn't present when the windows were removed, so perhaps the mounting tabs were slightly bent? Interested to know if you run into the same issue.

Cheers!

If you take a plastic "body" tool that looks like a wide screwdriver head and push the (soapy water)wet seal into the groove you will feel it pop in. Also there is a right side seal and a left side. If you put the wrong seal on the window, the window will not close properly when you try to put it back on to the body. I ended up with 2 right seals and could not understand why one window was fine and the other just would not fit back in.
Let them sit over night after you have the seal in place before you try to put them back on the car.

95avblm3 12-06-2012 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJHanna (Post 7135212)
If you take a plastic "body" tool that looks like a wide screwdriver head and push the (soapy water)wet seal into the groove you will feel it pop in. Also there is a right side seal and a left side. If you put the wrong seal on the window, the window will not close properly when you try to put it back on to the body. I ended up with 2 right seals and could not understand why one window was fine and the other just would not fit back in.
Let them sit over night after you have the seal in place before you try to put them back on the car.

Your plastic body tool is a good idea! Glycerin has the same effect as soapy water. We definitely had two distinct seals but did not let them sit over night... Another good point.

kkinzli 12-06-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hun911 (Post 7133472)
Hi Kristoph,

I'm not far from you. The same color as yours but different lightning conditions. :)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354747876.jpg

De klassz:D:D:D

kkinzli 12-06-2012 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twtony (Post 7134957)
Hey Kristoph!

Here's a link the start of my thread. Very, very much a work in progress!

I should've started it back when I bought the car, but, hey ho, it's never too late!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-912-technical-forum/722516-saving-arizona-import-tonys-66-912-a.html#post7134948

Keep up the great work!

Twtony

Tony,

Your car looks to be in pretty good shape. Can't wait to see more current pictures and follow your restoration. Keep up the good work!

kkinzli 12-06-2012 06:22 PM

Here are a few pictures my wife took while I was installing the vinyl on the passenger A pillar (Day 85). I must have been really focused because I don't remember her taking more than one picture ;) Her camera is a ton better than my underwater outdoor camera that I have been using. Mine can be seen in the below pictures on the dash.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354846739.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354846834.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1354846861.jpg

twtony 12-09-2012 01:07 AM

It really shouldn't be long now before you're on the road?

I'm having the driver side floorpan welded today, and the Eastwood thermocoustic is ready and waiting!

wachuko 12-10-2012 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twtony (Post 7139486)
It really shouldn't be long now before you're on the road?

I'm having the driver side floorpan welded today, and the Eastwood thermocoustic is ready and waiting!

It is the small stuff that takes a lot of time... but yes, looks like it is very close.

I just keep coming back to this thread, just amazed at the work and the final product. Can't wait to see a video of it back on the road. SmileWavy

kkinzli 12-10-2012 08:40 AM

Day 87: Today I was able to install the passenger quarter window and bleed the brakes. Installing the rubber seal on the quarter window took three attempts. The first attempt involved me coating everything with dish soap (100% dish soap) and the seal falling out of the groove after it had been snapped in. I had figured that the more soap the better but this was not true as the seal would not stay in place. The second attempt involved cleaning all of the dish soap off of everything and using the prescribed soapy water mixture. This worked great and I was able to install the seal no problem. When I went to fit the latch I realized that the cutout in the seal was on the wrong side:mad: Leave it to the engineering professor to install the driver side seal on the passenger side window:rolleyes: The third time I installed the correct seal in a matter of about five minutes and got the passenger quarter window installed later that day when the soapy water had dried and the seal was firmly seated in the groove. My friend Tom came over later in the day to do an oil change on his A4. I made him pay for the use of my garage by pumping the brake pedal in the Rat about 200 times. Here are a few pictures of the progress.

Passenger quarter window installed
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1355157372.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1355157416.jpg

A few pics of the cleaned passenger latch and dirty driver latch. Using the plastic spacer is key to keeping the window flush with the body when closed

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1355157501.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1355157523.jpg

Tom bleeding the brakes:)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1355157629.jpg

kkinzli 12-10-2012 08:43 AM

Awesome birthday present from my wife!! What a cool T-shirt:)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1355157763.jpg

kkinzli 12-10-2012 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twtony (Post 7139486)
It really shouldn't be long now before you're on the road?

I'm having the driver side floorpan welded today, and the Eastwood thermocoustic is ready and waiting!

Hi Tony! I am thinking that I will have her back on the road by the end of January 2013. I still need to address the dash, finish the carpet, get an alignment, install the front and rear glass, sort out the signal light issues with the driver rear and get a new appraisal for insurance purposes. I also need to do an oil change as the same oil has been in the car for almost a year.

kkinzli 12-10-2012 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wachuko (Post 7141000)
It is the small stuff that takes a lot of time... but yes, looks like it is very close.

I just keep coming back to this thread, just amazed at the work and the final product. Can't wait to see a video of it back on the road. SmileWavy

It is indeed the small stuff that takes a lot of time. The work over the last couple of weeks has certainly been more enjoyable than stripping paint or grinding off rust:D Thanks for the compliment and the encouragement. I will post a video as soon as the Rat is scampering around again.

kkinzli 12-10-2012 09:06 AM

Cool video about the evolution of the 911. Looks like it started with a Rat ;)

Porsche 911 all generations evolution morph - YouTube

wachuko 12-10-2012 09:20 AM

Another cool one...

Porsche 911 Design History Evolution Automobilismo HD - YouTube


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