65 Type 3 w/2.0l 5spd.

[911Notch]

Rather than hijack Greyn57's thread anymore than I have, I figured it was time I started a thread of my own. I have converted my 65 type 3 notchback rear end from a swingaxle unit to an IRS subframe from a later model type 3.

I have the 901 tranny bolted to the engine and the whole assembly sitting in the engine bay, but not mounted in yet.



I need to fabricate a rear engine mount, as well as tranny mounts. The tranny mounts look pretty basic, I will weld a threaded block of steel to the underside of the control arm pivots and use the factory tranny mount. The front mount will be a bit more trying, as you can see in the next pic, there isn't a lot of strong areas I can use for a motor mount, that and I will be limited in space for a muffler as well.




I started to cut the right rear inner fender to house the oil tank, and it looks like it will fit just fine, but I will need to make a custom dipstick because I want to use the factory VW oil filler head in it's new location.





Thats as far as I got this week, I hope to start the engine hanger tomorrow.

[ianc]

Thanks for the pointer to this thread Matt! Can you post some more pics of the rest of the car? What are your plans for suspension, wheels, etc? Where did you obtain it? IIRC, the notches weren't sold in the US... Really interested in a better look at this!

ianc

[911Notch]

You just asked a car guy to brag about his car....hold on!

The notchbacks were never directly imported into the US, only into Canada. I have had this car for close to 7 years and have changed plans with it almost every year! From a stock motor, to a mild performance motor, to a 2275 hi-performance motor, and now this. Which I think I am going to stick with! The suspension will remain VW, the stock type 3 suspension is quite the smooth ride with a torsion bar front end with a built in sway bar, the rear end is from a later IRS type 3 that is a torsion bar set-up as well, it will get an added sway bar, and new stiff shocks all around.

I'm hoping to add a rear disk brake set-up, that is available in the VW aftermarket, but I need to make sure that these wheels will fit



I will be respraying the car in a Porsche color (yet to be determined), the front seats will be an aftermarket low back seat with some side bolsters to hold my ass in place, the stock type 3 seat is pretty flat. I will be using 911 gauges, and perhaps a nice early 911 steering wheel.

I don't have alot of pics of the car, but here's a couple

[ianc]

Very very nice looking car Matt! The body seems to have survived extremely well. Did you convert it over to 12V prior to this? Does the front already have discs on this? Seems like the type III shares a pan with the Ghia IIRC, no?

ianc

[911Notch]

It is converted to a 12 volt system already, with stock front disk brakes. The ghia pan is completely different, but it's pan halves are available aftermerket so alot of guys modify them to work in a type 3.

[Grady Clay]

Matt,

How is progress?

Why don’t you ask the moderator on the 911 Forum to move your thread here so everything is in one place for future research.

Best,
Grady

[911Notch]

That's a good idea Grady, I'll do just that.

As for the progress, I didn't see the inside of my garage at all this week because I was away for work. I hope to have some progress this week.

Matt

[Bill Verburg]

See this thread for additional information

[911Notch]

I was able to spend some time in the garage today, and finally figured out how to make a rear engine mount for the 911 motor. I used a sheet of 14 gauge sheet metal and made a new "deck" around the motor, this is the under side that shows the mounting brackets for the engine hanger



I used the Porsche engine hanger, and modified it to work for my application. Welded on some 1" square tubing to the ends, allit needs now is a good clean and powdercoat.



Here's what it looks like in the car,




I used a piece of 2" mandrel bend exhaust tube for the new oil filler neck, now I can use the factory type 3 oil filler head, and it will look like it's meant to be there, I will have to figure out a dipstick though.



That large hole just infront of the oil filler is for the oil filter that is attached to the oil tank. This will be finished with a piece of 4" pipe, cut to fit of course.
Because I relocated the oil filler, I had no use fo the type 3 location in the apron. I originally had planned to patch it in to match the left side, but then I decided to mount an oil pressure gauge in that location. this was a pretty easy solution.



That's all for now....

[ianc]

Wacky place for an oil pressure gauge... Planning to move it to the cockpit at some point?

ianc

[911Notch]

Nope. I will have the regular 911 gauges in the dash, this is just an extra to fill in a hole where the type 3 oil filler once stood.

[ianc]

Does it have an electrical or mechanical sensor?

ianc

[911Notch]

Electrical. I may even choose to put a fuel pressure gauge in that hole.

[ianc]

That would be the better bet I think. That would give you a diagnostic tool that's handy, but not that often (mostly when you're in the engine room already), and something that's not already duplicated by the standard 911 gauges. Keep the updates coming!

ianc

[rs-vic]

944 rear brakes bolt right on to the IRS trailing arms. If you want something really big 86 944 Turbo brakes bolt on also. I have this set up on my 73 VW Bug convertible along with 944 Turbo front brakes on modified struts.

[911Notch]

I was considering this option, but I found that the 944 brakes push the wheel out 1" per side in comparison to the stock brakes, and I don't have that kind of play in the wheel spacing. There is however a rear disc brake kit available in the VW aftermarket that doesn't change the offset that much, and hopefully will work for me.

[1976bus]

i recognize that fridge!

[aircooledsonly]

would you like to see photos of my 65 notch w/ 2.4 911s mfi ,show winner,12 sec bracket car street driver aircooleds jay @ 928 776 0163 or jmor.aco@hotmail.com

[911Notch]

um.....hell ya!!

[ljowdy]

911 notch. Do you have sufficient room to mount the fan shroud and alternator/fan?

Not true about the notchback being exclusively Canadian. Some were imported earlier than 1965. I remember seeing a brand new 1964 at a dealer. Also explained in an exerpt from a googled page

Interestingly, the Type III wasn't officially introduced to the U.S. until late 1965, and the 1500 Sedan (Notchback) was never officially imported to the U.S. (Tell that to my friend Wally Izumi back home in California, who bought a '64 Notch brand new from a VW dealer...!) A number of grey-market 1500s found their way to U.S. shores before their official intro, but VW of America wasn't equipped to service them until late 1965. It was a combination of the enormous expense of supplying and training the vast U.S. dealer network and the hefty price tag for the cars themselves that delayed their official release in the U.S. VW did send the 1500 to Canada early on. Many of the Notchback sedans that can be found in the U.S. today made their way in through Canada