911 vs Cayman

[masraum]

Originally Posted by svandamme

140 euros delivered , only 1 doubt:

that the silver painted oem grill under it might show through that black grill

Le Mans for a track day.


Shows off the different rear roofline between the newer and older model.
I like the older line better, it looks more refined to me

I wonder if you could plastidip the stock oem grill before installing those grates. Then if/when you pull off the grates, you could just peel the plastidip and be back to stock.
Agreed, I prefer the older roof-line to the more rounded humpback of the newer car.

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

What don’t you like about them? I was in the market for those but they were too spendy. I bought these Cayman wheels instead as they look like modern Fuchs and cheaper.

I'm assuming that the holes at each end of the spokes serve a purpose (make the wheel lighter but not compromise the strength?) since this is Porsche after all, but they are too fussy. They aren't as sleek or attractive (to me) as several (most) of the other options.

[JackDidley]

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

What don’t you like about them? I was in the market for those but they were too spendy. I bought these Cayman wheels instead as they look like modern Fuchs and cheaper.

Just too much going on with them. Holes everywhere, spokes and forks at the end of the spokes. I prefer something simple I guess. Everybody likes something different and that is what makes things interesting. My preferred Cayman wheel, I think.

[RWebb]

simpler = easier to clean

and yes, de-snork the grill - you'll like it

[cantdrv55]

That wheel is nice too.

Does desnorkeling really do anything though?

[RWebb]

it just makes nicer noises, not pow-pow

want pow-pow? rufster !!

[svandamme]

good thinking bout the plasti dip.. Think i might have a rattle can of black Plasti dip left somewhere in my garage !

[masraum]

Originally Posted by cantdrv55

That wheel is nice too.

Does desnorkeling really do anything though?

Originally Posted by RWebb

it just makes nicer noises, not pow-pow

want pow-pow? rufster !!

Exactly that. You just get more induction noise.

[petrolhead611]

You don't need to drive the turbo 4 like a hypermiler to get good gas mileage , just stay off the boost on the highway.Herebin England there are so many speed cameras on the motorways that there is no point whatsoever in using boost on the early Sunday mornings to get to Autosolo events and my W454 Brabus mileage increases from 25- 27 to 36 mpg. My daughter's 718 PDK shows proportionally similar improvements.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by petrolhead611

You don't need to drive the turbo 4 like a hypermiler to get good gas mileage , just stay off the boost on the highway.Herebin England there are so many speed cameras on the motorways that there is no point whatsoever in using boost on the early Sunday mornings to get to Autosolo events and my W454 Brabus mileage increases from 25- 27 to 36 mpg. My daughter's 718 PDK shows proportionally similar improvements.

I don't understand "just stay off the boost." It just doesn't make any sense to me.

[svandamme]

If you wanna stay off the boost in a Porsche, then they have the perfect thing for ya : Porsche Taycan Turbo or Turbo S.

Sounds like high fibre silent crap being squeezed out gently,
but very easy to stay of the boost and super gas mileage !

[masraum]

Originally Posted by svandamme

If you wanna stay off the boost in a Porsche, then they have the perfect thing for ya : Porsche Taycan Turbo or Turbo S.

Sounds like high fibre silent crap being squeezed out gently,
but very easy to stay of the boost and super gas mileage !

[rfuerst911sc]

I have had the pleasure of owning a 74 911 S Targa , 87 944S , 75 914 GT clone , 83 911SC and now my 02 Boxster S . All were fun cars and each had a unique personality . But out of all of them the most enjoyable is my current S . Up here in the GA. mountains it is the most fun in the twisties that mid engine layout is tough to beat . Add to that modern safety features , comfortable interior and HVAC , fantastic brakes and the ability to drop the top in seconds it is a lot of bang for the buck . So for me if I had to choose between 911 and Cayman the Cayman wins .

[masraum]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

I have had the pleasure of owning a 74 911 S Targa , 87 944S , 75 914 GT clone , 83 911SC and now my 02 Boxster S . All were fun cars and each had a unique personality . But out of all of them the most enjoyable is my current S . Up here in the GA. mountains it is the most fun in the twisties that mid engine layout is tough to beat . Add to that modern safety features , comfortable interior and HVAC , fantastic brakes and the ability to drop the top in seconds it is a lot of bang for the buck . So for me if I had to choose between 911 and Cayman the Cayman wins .

Of course, a 996 compared to your B S would have fewer/different comparison points as they would both have modern safety features and comfy interior and modern HVAC.

I would assume that all or most of your cars had awesome brakes. My old '88 had fantastic brakes.

It's funny, my last 20 years of cars have been '88 911 targa, '97 miata, '04 miata and now '08 Boxster. The funny thing is that I'm not really interested in having a convertible. I think the top of the boxster comes down <5 times per year most years. The miatas may have been more (<30) due to being easier and me having a different commute. The targa was probably similar to the miatas for the same reason.

I'd have happily bought a Cayman if I'd found the right one. I'd have also bought a 911 coupe if I'd found the right one.

[VincentVega]

I drove a 16 Cayman yesterday, really impressed. Took a bit to get the seat setup right but it was very comfortable, great visibility, plenty of power for a DD, beautiful. But, 20's ride hard for the roads here, more exhaust note than expected (sample size of 1, stock exhaust?) and fitting my fat hump over the sill might get old. I know I would wear out the outside bolster pretty quickly. Only gripe about the drive was the pdk. I'm sure you get used to it, but initial impressive is 2 fold. It was great when driving aggressively, shifts so fast and seemed to always be in the right gear. But, poking along in traffic it shifted all the time, maybe it didnt really matter but it seemed to hunt a lot at partial throttle. Again, might not matter, it just stood out as a bit annoying.

I havent driven a modern 911 in a while so I need to get a back in one soon to compare boring DD things like seating position, access...

[look 171]

Originally Posted by VincentVega

I drove a 16 Cayman yesterday, really impressed. Took a bit to get the seat setup right but it was very comfortable, great visibility, plenty of power for a DD, beautiful. But, 20's ride hard for the roads here, more exhaust note than expected (sample size of 1, stock exhaust?) and fitting my fat hump over the sill might get old. I know I would wear out the outside bolster pretty quickly. Only gripe about the drive was the pdk. I'm sure you get used to it, but initial impressive is 2 fold. It was great when driving aggressively, shifts so fast and seemed to always be in the right gear. But, poking along in traffic it shifted all the time, maybe it didnt really matter but it seemed to hunt a lot at partial throttle. Again, might not matter, it just stood out as a bit annoying.

I havent driven a modern 911 in a while so I need to get a back in one soon to compare boring DD things like seating position, access...

I am really surprise to hear that about PDK. Were you in Sport mode? If so, then it shifts often when it sense input from your gas pedal. Put that in reg mode and the transmission is pretty lazy like any other automatic car. As soon as I start the car, Sport is on, can't stand reg. mode. when I give it gas to get around traffic, that little, tiny pause before it downshifts drives me nuts.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by look 171

I am really surprise to hear that about PDK. Were you in Sport mode? If so, then it shifts often when it sense input from your gas pedal. Put that in reg mode and the transmission is pretty lazy like any other automatic car. As soon as I start the car, Sport is on, can't stand reg. mode. when I give it gas to get around traffic, that little, tiny pause before it downshifts drives me nuts.

I drove a PDK once about 5 years ago. From what I remember, the thing got into the highest gear possible as quickly as possible.

I know these things are supposed to learn your driving style, and then there's the flappy paddles that make it super easy to be in the gear that you want.

[svandamme]

ordered the zunsport sidevent grills, will post results when I get em

[450knotOffice]

Originally Posted by look 171

I am really surprise to hear that about PDK. Were you in Sport mode? If so, then it shifts often when it sense input from your gas pedal. Put that in reg mode and the transmission is pretty lazy like any other automatic car. As soon as I start the car, Sport is on, can't stand reg. mode. when I give it gas to get around traffic, that little, tiny pause before it downshifts drives me nuts.

Originally Posted by masraum

I drove a PDK once about 5 years ago. From what I remember, the thing got into the highest gear possible as quickly as possible.

I know these things are supposed to learn your driving style, and then there's the flappy paddles that make it super easy to be in the gear that you want.

I drive a 2009 C4S with PDK. I've owned it for 3-1/2 years now. I do exactly as "look 171" does, in that I start the car and immediately press the Sport button, which changes the throttle maps, transmission maps, and suspension settings. I then deselect the PASM to put the suspension back into a more comfortable mode, and I'm set.

The Normal mode is horrible as far as the transmission maps are concerned. It's primary focus when you are on a normal light throttle is to upshift to the highest gear possible for mileage purposes - it actually gets to 7th gear by 47 mph (!). It then is very reluctant to downshift unless you put a lot of foot into it. Then, after much too long of a delay, it decides to downshift, but now you've got too much throttle in, and she takes off more than maybe I originally intended. Super annoying.

Sport mode does none of that. It's in the right gear all the time, and downshifts at the merest push of the throttle.

Normal mode IS basically fine if you use the paddles though. The shifts are a little soft for my liking, but at least I'm always in the gear I want to be in.

Sport or Sport Plus WITH the paddles is the most fun, though. Especially Sport Plus.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

immediately press the Sport button, which changes the throttle maps, transmission maps, and suspension settings. I then deselect the PSM to put the suspension back into a more comfortable mode

I assume you mean PASM which is the Porsche Active Suspension Management. PSM is Porsche stability Management which is traction control and the nanny that will rein things in if you start to lose it.

I like the Sport throttle maps too, but since I've got a manual, Sport mode does nothing for my shifts. PASM is nice, but unless you're on smooth roads, I think it hurts handling. I've also got PSE, so the louder exhaust note is nice too.

[450knotOffice]

Yes, that was a Typo. PASM. I'll edit that.

I never mess with the PSM button, lol.