Awesome landing at LHR

[flipper35]

Looks like the pilot was a little late on the rudder or it touched down before he expected it to. Looked like a dry runway also. If it were wet at least it would have a little less stress on the mains.

[911 Rod]

Isn`t this call crabbing or something similar?

[petrolhead611]

To find a long enough runway that day that didn't have such high winds would have meant landing in another country. The UK had storm force winds everywhere.

[dar636]

New aircraft models demonstrate the ability to land in crosswind conditions of 50+ knots and varying angles to reach the certification crosswind component. The crosswind component is an operating limit that is published in the AFM (Aircraft Flight Manual). Many of the youtube vids of aircraft dealing with extreme crosswind conditions are actually flight test videos from those certification tests.

The crosswind component takes into account the ability of a qualified flight crew to manage the touchdown without excessive off-runway headings, or bank angles that would cause an engine or wing to contact the runway.

Tires are cheap - and slippery at touchdown when the energy involved is instantly transferred to the contact surface of the tire and runway. This relieves the structural stress on the landing gear itself to within design limits. As the touchdown progresses and full aircraft weight is transferred to the tires (once wing spoilers deploy) friction increases and helps straighten out the direction the aircraft is traveling.

[john70t]

Ok. That's it. No more stupid s***. Gloves off. No budget:
-Every runway gets turned into a gigantic lazy-susan and turns into the wind.

-Approach vectors are created with sets of dual holographic lines. One optimal One for potential shear.
Downwind leg turns have a clear identifying beacon light at each corner. (i.e. this is where you turn!)

-Airport and runway lighting is at least 10 feet above ground/snow level and color-optimized for each aircraft.

-Turnoffs and taxi strips are marked with something more than A5 to b17 whatever. They follow easy-to-understand 1, 2, 3 N/S protocols and are made consistent to gates areas, which are colored differently for easy identification.

[Neilk]

Originally Posted by cgarr

Id rip the gear off my plane doing that. Why don't they kick it straight just before touch down?

People in the back of the plane must have gotten quite a jolt as that rudder kicked in.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by john70t

Ok. That's it. No more stupid s***. Gloves off. No budget:
-Every runway gets turned into a gigantic lazy-susan and turns into the wind.

-Approach vectors are created with sets of dual holographic lines. One optimal One for potential shear.
Downwind leg turns have a clear identifying beacon light at each corner. (i.e. this is where you turn!)

-Airport and runway lighting is at least 10 feet above ground/snow level and color-optimized for each aircraft.

-Turnoffs and taxi strips are marked with something more than A5 to b17 whatever. They follow easy-to-understand 1, 2, 3 N/S protocols and are made consistent to gates areas, which are colored differently for easy identification.

I don't get that one.

Also, do you have the ILS gear rotate with the runway and have NOTAMs for where the racetrack is every time it moves?

[john70t]

Ho Lee Carp. This should be simple stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOTAM
"Criticism
In July 2017, Air Canada Flight 759 nearly crashed into four other airliners as it attempted to land on a San Francisco taxiway misidentified as a runway: the next runway was closed but the information was buried in the NOTAM. In September 2018, the NTSB stated NOTAMs were unintelligible and ignored, and recommended a more effective information presentation for better relevance."

I'm talking about "Follow Blue/Red/Green lights to your gate. Welcome home." There it is. Easy peasy. Yellow brick road.

How about obtuse stop signs which provide sideways warning before crossing runways?

[john70t]

In the FSX flight sim, I am completely mentally incompetent to becoming a real pilot.

1). I can take off land and fly pretty well.
Maintaining heading, height, airspeed, looking around for traffic, constant gauge checks?
I can definitely do all that. Somewhat.

2). Finding and conforming to nav beacons?
I am still working on that despite a few years experience. Still learning.

3). But trying to create a complete mental 3D environment image around, with busy traffic hazards and existing patterns, from sketchy and abbreviated ATC jargon?
I just can't do that. There is something missing.
Changing audio into visualization is not immediate and instinctual.
(and I might not be the only 'pilot' out there)


I meant to say that each aircraft gets its own light color code:
"Heavy389 your landing clearnce is a blue runway. Wait for Heavy141 ahead of you in white. The blue "okay-to-land" markers will light up when runway is clear."

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by vmax

I find it mesmerizing to watch as they seem to just hang there before touching down.

[cgarr]

Originally Posted by Neilk

People in the back of the plane must have gotten quite a jolt as that rudder kicked in.

Never had any complaints about my flying lol




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[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by cgarr

Id rip the gear off my plane doing that. Why don't they kick it straight just before touch down?

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

I think it was a mistake but what do I know.

It's clear the entire weight of the aircraft was not on the landing gear when it touched first time.

Most heavy A/C have stout gear, which is rated for pretty hefty side-loads.
As such, landing in a crab (and not "de-crabbing" just prior to T/D) is an approved and preferred method on many heavy A/C. A couple good reasons for doing so.

[flipper35]

According to the thread on pprune (thanks to the link above) , the 380 is not one of those approved for no de-crabbing during landing on dry runways.

[KNS]

Those are the days when the pilots are earning their money.

I wonder, if/when the day comes, how an automated, pilotless plane will handle those conditions.

[greglepore]

Still trying to figure out why the airport was open...

[Eric Coffey]

Originally Posted by flipper35

According to the thread on pprune (thanks to the link above) , the 380 is not one of those approved for no de-crabbing during landing on dry runways.

It's done every day, and Airbus does approve of landing the 380 in a crab, though they do have a recommend drift-angle limit of 5 degrees (per the link you cited).

Landing in a crab in heavy x-winds prevents the need for excessive bank to keep it on the center-line, which in turn reduces the chances of a wing-tip/nacelle strike.
Also, the potential consequences of an early and/or an "over" de-crab are probably higher than landing in a crab.

Obviously the landing in the OP video is on the extreme side, and still not pretty, regardless of flare technique.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by flipper35

the 380 is not one of those approved for no de-crabbing during landing on dry runways.

?? What?

[HardDrive]

The real question: How to the pilots find comfortable pants to fit their 10cm brass eggs?

[HardDrive]

Never a harsh word from Manfred von Richthofen?

Originally Posted by cgarr

Never had any complaints about my flying lol




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[rattlsnak]

Originally Posted by cgarr

Id rip the gear off my plane doing that. Why don't they kick it straight just before touch down?

They should have. That was a HORRIBLE example of a cross wind landing.. They were lucky no damage occurred and I'm sure the people sitting in the back row knocked heads as that tail violently swung around to straight ahead....