What should consequences be for those that decline the vax?

[john70t]

https://archive.is/FdoHV

Pfizer CEO's Israel visit canceled because he is not fully vaccinated
Bourla said in December that he has not yet received the vaccine yet because he does not want to "cut in line."

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF MARCH 7, 2021 00:39

[dw1]

Originally Posted by javadog

Interesting, read it until the very end:

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/07/29/87-percent-covid-deaths-are-vaccinated-people/

The "dailyexpose.co.uk" is a well-known misinformation site and their "statistics" are completely bogus.

https://www.logically.ai/articles/actors-behind-uk-misinformation-site-the-daily-expose

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by fintstone

But, I bet you could stop if you tried.

Expect a new, "deadlier" variant periodically to excuse governmental overreach until all private property is "shared" with others that did not work as smart and hard as you did to earn it (note the unconstitutional eviction moratorium). All stepping stones on the road to less personal freedom/marxism...unless citizens step up to cry foul/stop it.

Originally Posted by upsscott

You’re free to not get vaccinated and roll the dice.

I give up...what does that have to do with my post?

But, isn't that exactly the opposite of the premise of this thread...that the freaky left wants government to "punish" those who do not get vaccinated (with the vaccine that many told us was dangerous when the Trump Administration was pushing it through development/approval)?

I was probably one of the first vaccinated here...but I certainly do not want government to make others take it against their will. As noted, government overreach is always the answer for some...but never really the right answer.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dw1

The "dailyexpose.co.uk" is a well-known misinformation site and their "statistics" are completely bogus.

https://www.logically.ai/articles/actors-behind-uk-misinformation-site-the-daily-expose

As is CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Washington Post, etc...even Wikipedia. What is a girl to do?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by dw1

This may have been said previously, but if one refuses to get vaccinated, then perhaps insurance companies should deny all payment for any directly related medical treatments expenses.

That probably won't work because IMHO people who refuse the vaccination believe they won't get sick from it and are willing to "roll the dice".

Perhaps insurance companies can add a surcharge to the insurance premiums of the unvaccinated, a premium that cannot be legally be paid by one's employer or government-sponsored health care plan (e.g. Medicare) so it would have to come directly out of the individuals pocket.

They are, after all, increasing their risk factors and insurance companies charge more to smokers, right?

I also wonder if it is possible that vaccinated immunocompromised people (say those with MS, RA, lung cancer survivor, etc.) have grounds for a lawsuit against no-mask state laws and in a broader sense the voluntarily unvaccinated.

I am in if we include those who have consumed alcohol, marijuana, tobacco, etc...or are more than 20 lbs overweight. Maybe those that have sex outside of marriage...all risky behavior.

[Por_sha911]

COVID is dangerous - this is true but the #s are a huge steaming pile of manure. Here is one example:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/california-county-cuts-covid-death-toll

A California county cut its COVID-19 death toll by around 25% after determining that some deaths were not a "direct result" of the virus.

Alameda County revised the total number of deaths caused by the coronavirus to 1,223, down from 1,634.

Co-morbidity.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by fintstone

I give up...what does that have to do with my post?

But, isn't that exactly the opposite of the premise of this thread...that the freaky left wants government to "punish" those who do not get vaccinated (with the vaccine that many told us was dangerous when the Trump Administration was pushing it through development/approval)?

I was probably one of the first vaccinated here...but I certainly do not want government to make others take it against their will. As noted, government overreach is always the answer for some...but never really the right answer.

I agree with you. Make your choice and roll the dice.

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I agree with you. Make your choice and roll the dice.

I agree also, but the government wants to take that choice away by making it mandatory.

[javadog]

I question the legitimacy of the FDA making the Pfizer vaccine approved. Supposedly, it will be approved a month from today. That sounds a wee bit fishy to me.

[Sooner or later]

Pfizer applied for full approval on or about May 7th. Priority revew is "within 6 months ". The time frame fits within their standards. Personally, I would rather wait a few more months. Early approval will only add to the rushed and untested complaints. I doubt if it gives much confidence to those that are already sceptical. It should give companies more confidence in applying employee or customer requirements.

https://www.fda.gov/patients/fast-track-breakthrough-therapy-accelerated-approval-priority-review/priority-review
Prior to approval, each drug marketed in the United States must go through a detailed FDA review process. In 1992, under the Prescription Drug User Act (PDUFA), FDA agreed to specific goals for improving the drug review time and created a two-tiered system of review times – Standard Review and Priority Review. A Priority Review designation means FDA’s goal is to take action on an application within 6 months (compared to 10 months under standard review).

[mattdavis11]

I have questioned myself, and the data. I don't think the later outweighs the prior.

I had covid, pretty bad stuff. My wife had covid as well, and she got sick after both shots.

Why the hell would I want to go through that, again? Is she better off than I am? How does anyone know?

I "rolled" the dice once, we all did, or better yet, the Chinese did for us all.

The numbers don't substantiate the immediacy for me to be vaccinated.

Now when you vaccinated people get covid, I should have the right to pull your pants down and kick you squarely in the ass. You are, after all, allowing a virus to enter your body via an injection.

Has anyone made a direct correlation to the vaccine and the spread? Why not? Sure seems plausible to me.

I really can not wait to kick you in the ass for damning me. See you then, dumbass.

[javadog]

I just think it’s odd that they say it’s going to be approved a month from now and give the specific day. Normally, I would expect they would simply wait until it’s approved, then announce it on whatever day that turned out to be.

[Sooner or later]

I haven't seen where they mentioned a specific day. I have heard early next month or by Labor Day.

They have been answering questions when asked. I guess they could answer "no comment". You know they have all hands on deck for the approval process.

[island911]

Well at least there are no political pressures on any of this. /sarc

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I haven't seen where they mentioned a specific day. I have heard early next month or by Labor Day.

They have been answering questions when asked. I guess they could answer "no comment". You know they have all hands on deck for the approval process.

Supposedly, it is September 6.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

I agree also, but the government wants to take that choice away by making it mandatory.

I’ve yet to hear that.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by island911

Well at least there are no political pressures on any of this. /sarc

Yeah, Biden just mentioned it, shortly before the date came out.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by upsscott

I’ve yet to hear that.

It’s coming after the FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine. We will see if they are able to successfully mandate it. Their back up plan is to convince private business to mandate it, they are working hard in the background towards that end.

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

I have questioned myself, and the data. I don't think the later outweighs the prior.

I had covid, pretty bad stuff. My wife had covid as well, and she got sick after both shots.

Why the hell would I want to go through that, again? Is she better off than I am? How does anyone know?

I "rolled" the dice once, we all did, or better yet, the Chinese did for us all.

The numbers don't substantiate the immediacy for me to be vaccinated.

Now when you vaccinated people get covid, I should have the right to pull your pants down and kick you squarely in the ass. You are, after all, allowing a virus to enter your body via an injection.

Has anyone made a direct correlation to the vaccine and the spread? Why not? Sure seems plausible to me.

I really can not wait to kick you in the ass for damning me. See you then, dumbass.

Why do you fail to see that breakthrough cases were to be expected? Look at the percentages of folks who are vaccinated ending up in the hospital let alone croaking?

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

It’s coming after the FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine. We will see if they are able to successfully mandate it. Their back up plan is to convince private business to mandate it, they are working hard in the background towards that end.

You have proof of that?