What should consequences be for those that decline the vax?

[group911@aol.co]

Thankfully Byron, you aren't one of them. How did your first jab go? Which vaccine did you get?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Questions to those who have received the vaccine:
IF you are so sure that the vaccine is safe and is effective, then what does it matter to you if someone doesn't get the vaccine and may get sick? They won't be infecting you.

We don't really care about them, we have been clear about that. But the consequences of their decision may not be limited to just themselves. The longer this circulates the more it mutates raising the possibility that it mutates into a variant that renders all current immunities, whether derived through vaccine or natural exposure, ineffective.

We did not worry about the young because the original strain seemed to be ignoring them. Delta is not, this is what variants do.

IF you think that you can still be infected even after you have been vaccinated then why bother being vaccinated?

I'm not really sure why this is even a question when the answer is so obvious, because it greatly reduces the risk of contracting it.

IF you are so concerned about the greater public good then why allow risky behavior such as smoking?

IF you are so concerned about the sick taxing our healthcare system then why not punish people who abuse their bodies with alcohol, or unhealthy diets? Aren't they taxing our healthcare system with their heart attacks and siroccos of the liver?

This is just classic whataboutism that has zero to do with the topic at hand. And no, they are not taxing the healthcare system the same way as COVID, not even close. In fact if you care about those peoples access to medical care you would want everyone to get vaccinated so as not to unduly burden the system with something you can prevent and takes 5 minutes of your time, it's selfish.

Please put down the virtue signaling and admit that maybe you worry that the vaccine isn't as effective as promised and you are concerned about getting sick?

Any reasonable person is concerned about getting sick. That's not virtue signaling, that's just common ****ing sense.

[island911]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

"A basic justification for vaccine mandates is that your freedom doesn’t include the freedom to endanger the rest of your community. The principle is a bedrock of democratic philosophy and the American legal tradition, with courts applying it to a variety of contexts including public health."

“You can’t walk around assaulting people just because you feel like it’s an important part of your self-expression,” Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor, said in an interview. “And you can’t dump pollutants into a town’s drinking water just because you’d rather not pay for cleanup. By the same token, we require kids to get vaccinated for all sorts of illnesses before they go to public school. Otherwise, their bodies could be used as vectors to harm others.”

The most important legal precedent on vaccines specifically is a 1905 case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts, in which the Supreme Court upheld a state law requiring smallpox vaccination for adults. Just this week, a panel from a federal appeals court cited Jacobson when it upheld, unanimously, a new COVID-19 vaccine requirement for students at Indiana University.

Did you have a nanny as a kid? ...still miss her?

[group911@aol.co]

Lots of em. You. How about a dad that taught you to man up? Poor little victim.

Originally Posted by island911

Did you have a nanny as a kid? ...still miss her?

[group911@aol.co]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=294419094977022

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/european-agency-confirms-covid-19-vaccine-fatalities

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

‘This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination. The EU regulatory network continuously monitors EudraVigilance to detect any new safety issues.’
From your link. Nice try.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by upsscott

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

‘This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination. The EU regulatory network continuously monitors EudraVigilance to detect any new safety issues.’
From your link. Nice try.

Sure sounds like the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID. I would not have expected that. Pretty interesting. Are you trying to talk people out of being vaccinated?

"This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination."

That could be said about many reported COVID deaths as well. Of course, I can avoid contact with COVID altogether (proved that before vaccination), but the vaccine intentionally introduces the risk.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by upsscott

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

‘This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination. The EU regulatory network continuously monitors EudraVigilance to detect any new safety issues.’
From your link. Nice try.

Apparently, some of the brain trust here expected the Covid19 Vaccines to come with a guarantee that you will live forever if taken. Let's see...350 million doses given in the USA alone...the first wave of those was only people 65 and older, in some states it was 75 and older, (Minnesota).

5000 of those senior citizens have died in the last year, out of what, 100 million? You cock-knockers are aware that they gave the first vaccines to people in nursing homes, right?

This is your attempt at medical science? Go back to polishing your lugnutz and stop spreading misinformation, for fk's sake. This is embarrassing, even by the extremely low intellectual standards of this forum. Jesus...

[fintstone]

What are the chances that a child living in a rural area of the United States will die of COVID without the vaccination? It seems chances are infinitesimally low that they will ever even catch COVID, much less die of it. Why would we force them to take a vaccine (that has actually killed children against their parents will)? Which has the highest risk for the child (vaccination or not)?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by fintstone

What are the chances that a child living in a rural area of the United States will die of COVID without the vaccination? It seems chances are infinitesimally low that they will ever even catch COVID, much less die of it. Why would we force them to take a vaccine (that has actually killed children against their parents will)? Which has the highest risk for the child (vaccination or not)?

Probably pretty low and not overly concerned about those isolated people.

More like the number of unvaccinated making their way from all over the country to Sturgis this weekend for 10 days of close proximity partying and merrymaking.

They do eventually go home.

Some of them probably to their families.

Maybe in rural areas?

[Racerbvd]

Thankfully Byron, you aren't one of them. How did your first jab go? Which vaccine did you get

Thanks, rougher than I expected (to be fair, I didn't expect anything) definitely not positive side effects and still deal with it. I received the Moderna.

Originally Posted by upsscott

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

‘This may have been caused, for example, by health problems not related to the vaccination. The EU regulatory network continuously monitors EudraVigilance to detect any new safety issues.’
From your link. Nice try.

All I did was post another point of view, that is the problem I have with this, you either accept the government point of view, without question, even though you have absolutely no recourse if something goes wrong, no one is held accountable.
And to compare this to polio or shingles vaccines is BS, those were products of nature, this isn't.
We truly have no clue what long term side effects might be, we are literally just told to shut up and get jabbed.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Probably pretty low and not overly concerned about those isolated people.

More like the number of unvaccinated making their way from all over the country to Sturgis this weekend for 10 days of close proximity partying and merrymaking.

They do eventually go home.

Some of them probably to their families.

Maybe in rural areas?

Those are choices they make, not the government. The risk to that child would likely still be greater from the vaccine than the chance that a family member would go to Sturgis (unknown to the rest of the immediate family...so they could not avoid contact for a couple weeks) and infect them. And, of course, children almost never die from it...even if infected.

[speeder]

[group911@aol.co]

Good. Thanks for doing that. How the hell else are we going to get to see EVERY car show in southern Florida. Keep em coming.

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Thanks, rougher than I expected (to be fair, I didn't expect anything) definitely not positive side effects and still deal with it. I received the Moderna.

[dafischer]

Originally Posted by speeder

Let's see...350 million doses given in the USA alone...the first wave of those was only people 65 and older, in some states it was 75 and older, (Minnesota).

Really? Who got the other 17 million plus doses?

https://www.census.gov/popclock/

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by dafischer

Really? Who got the other 17 million plus doses?

https://www.census.gov/popclock/

You’d have a legitimate question if everyone who received the vaccine only received one dose and if everyone was vaccinated which would mean we’d not have this multi page **** show if a discussion about the unvaccinated going on here.

[dafischer]

Duh...you're right. My bad.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by speeder

According to the CDC, only 335 of the 600,000 people who have died from COVID-19 in the United States were under 18.

The COVID-19 vaccine is not available for people under age 12. This child was 5.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/06/25/teen-boy-dies-a-few-days-after-receiving-second-covid-vaccine-shot/

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

We don't really care about them, we have been clear about that. But the consequences of their decision may not be limited to just themselves. The longer this circulates the more it mutates raising the possibility that it mutates into a variant that renders all current immunities, whether derived through vaccine or natural exposure, ineffective.

It is mutating anyway. Crossover infections are happening. Then there is this nastly little problem to sickness and death from getting the vaccine.

This is just classic whataboutism that has zero to do with the topic at hand. And no, they are not taxing the healthcare system the same way as COVID, not even close. In fact if you care about those peoples access to medical care you would want everyone to get vaccinated so as not to unduly burden the system with something you can prevent and takes 5 minutes of your time, it's selfish.

Wait, WHAT? The consequences of smoking is not taxing our healthcare system? M-kay.


Any reasonable person is concerned about getting sick. That's not virtue signaling, that's just common ****ing sense.

And the virtue signaling is right there when you said:

"I'm not really sure why this is even a question when the answer is so obvious, because it greatly reduces the risk of contracting it."

Don't worry about everyone else. They are grown adults who live in a supposedly free country and have the right to make their own choices. If you want to legislate restriction 'for people you don't consider reasonable because they don't agree with you, then I propose we mandate that we outlaw the sale of tobacco. No reasonable person would want to ingest something so massively addictive and proven devastating to your health. That's just common sense. Alcohol is not far behind that in danger.

Please hear what I am NOT saying. I am not saying the vaccine is good or bad. That is for every adult to decide.

I am saying that mandating the vaccine "for your own good" is bad.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by speeder

I think she learned the laughing trick from Kamela.