What should consequences be for those that decline the vax?

[island911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

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Short answer, too many of our fellow citizens suck

Yeah? A basket full of deplorables?

But not the obnoxious, virtue signaling, unicorn dreaming POS who never questions anyone with a Dem label. Those people are PURE!



Pure arrogance and stupidity.

[island911]

NSFW language - but So spot on

[upsscott]

Where did Rogan finish in MED school? You could have posted a Rachel Maddow video and had the same credibility.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by upsscott

Where did Rogan finish in MED school? You could have posted a Rachel Maddow video and had the same credibility.

So nice of you to percent a cogent rebuttle on what he had to say, as opposed to just attacking the messenger like most liberals.

Oh, wait…

[javadog]

I keep seeing that the vaccines are worthless in terms of preventing the vaccinated from infecting the unvaccinated. So if that’s the case, why do the vaccinated people give two ****s about whether the rest of us get vaccinated or not? As far as infecting other people, both categories are equal.

It’s getting more and more traction in the main stream news, finally.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/06/fully-vaccinated-may-transmit-delta-just-as-easily-and-new-variant-shows-signs-of-vaccine-evasion-early-uk-research-suggests/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

If you want the vaccine to protect yourself, go for it. If you don’t want the vaccine, because you were concerned with other effects it will have on your health, that’s also fine. It’s now about an individual’s health, not whether an individual can impact the health of others around him.

[GG Allin]

Originally Posted by javadog

I keep seeing that the vaccines are worthless in terms of preventing the vaccinated from infecting the unvaccinated. So if that’s the case, why do the vaccinated people give two ****s about whether the rest of us get vaccinated or not? As far as infecting other people, both categories are equal.

It’s getting more and more traction in the main stream news, finally.

See post number 56. I said the same thing several days ago. No one seems to have an answer for that other than "JUST GET THE DAMN VACCINE".

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by javadog

I keep seeing that the vaccines are worthless in terms of preventing the vaccinated from infecting the unvaccinated. So if that’s the case, why do the vaccinated people give two ****s about whether the rest of us get vaccinated or not? As far as infecting other people, both categories are equal.

It’s getting more and more traction in the main stream news, finally.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/06/fully-vaccinated-may-transmit-delta-just-as-easily-and-new-variant-shows-signs-of-vaccine-evasion-early-uk-research-suggests/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

If you want the vaccine to protect yourself, go for it. If you don’t want the vaccine, because you were concerned with other effects it will have on your health, that’s also fine. It’s now about an individual’s health, not whether an individual can impact the health of others around him.

It's about straining the Healthcare system, it's also about people that are dying. I have many who I care about that refuse to be vaccinated. I worry about them. There's more to this life than me.

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[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

See post number 56. I said the same thing several days ago. No one seems to have an answer for that other than "JUST GET THE DAMN VACCINE".

I.E. J

Just get on the damn train !

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by javadog

I just think it’s odd that they say it’s going to be approved a month from now and give the specific day. Normally, I would expect they would simply wait until it’s approved, then announce it on whatever day that turned out to be.

Sounds like they've already made the decision to push it through but have to wait so as to seem to have legitimately considered whether or not it should be approved.

[Por_sha911]

Questions to those who have received the vaccine:
IF you are so sure that the vaccine is safe and is effective, then what does it matter to you if someone doesn't get the vaccine and may get sick? They won't be infecting you.

IF you think that you can still be infected even after you have been vaccinated then why bother being vaccinated?

IF you are so concerned about the greater public good then why allow risky behavior such as smoking?

IF you are so concerned about the sick taxing our healthcare system then why not punish people who abuse their bodies with alcohol, or unhealthy diets? Aren't they taxing our healthcare system with their heart attacks and siroccos of the liver?

Please put down the virtue signaling and admit that maybe you worry that the vaccine isn't as effective as promised and you are concerned about getting sick?

[Kraftwerk]

Medical Professionals are concerned about the greater public good. Smoking is hugely controlled : warning's on the packages and you can't smoke in most public parks (outside!!) and in zero public buildings. One day it will might even fade away like snuff has. You are right, the vaccine is not as effective as we all would like it to be. Is it 75% or 95% effective? Either way there is a 25% or 5% chance the virus will slip through..

[Por_sha911]

Smoking is hugely controlled

Really?

Universal Corp. reported sales and other operating revenue of $350 million in the three months that ended June 30, 2021, up 11 percent over that reported in the comparable 2020 quarter. Operating income was up 24 percent to $10.6 million. On an adjusted basis, operating income increased 190 percent to $12.6 million. The company’s gross profit margin was up 80 base points to 17.8 percent.

“We are off to a good start for fiscal year 2022,” said George C. Freeman, III, chairman, president and CEO of Universal, in a statement. “Results for our tobacco operations segment improved on higher African carryover tobacco shipments and a favorable tobacco product mix in the three months ended June 30, 2021, compared to the three months ended June 30, 2020. Our ingredients operations segment, which includes our October 2020 acquisition of Silva International Inc., delivered very strong performance in the three months ended June 30, 2021.

“It is exciting to begin to see the positive outcome from our capital allocation strategy, which we put in place in May 2018 with the goal of ensuring that we are well positioned for the future. Investments in our tobacco business have enabled us to expand the supply chain services we provide our customers and to create footprint rationalization efficiencies, and we are seeing the returns from those investments in our results.”

https://tobaccoreporter.com/2021/08/05/quarterly-sales-and-income-up-for-universal/

Tobacco Industry Profits Estimated $35 Billion With Almost 6 Million Annual Deaths

https://www.maurerfoundation.org/tobacco-industry-profits-estimated-35-billion-with-almost-6-million-annual-deaths/

Although U.S. tobacco production has decreased significantly since the 1980s (from nearly 180,000 tobacco-growing farms to about 10,000 in 2012), the United States continues to be a leading producer of tobacco leaves.4

The United States is the fourth largest tobacco-producing country in the world, following China, India, and Brazil.5
Farms in the United States harvested more than 533 million pounds of tobacco in 2018.6
In 2018, two states–North Carolina and Kentucky–accounted for more than 70% of total tobacco cultivation.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/economics/econ_facts/index.htm

[HardDrive]

Not reading any rubbish.

Get vaccinated. STFU.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Not reading any rubbish.
Get vaccinated. STFU.

Now there is an open minded and intelligent response!
How can I possible refute such a well reasoned and compelling argument?
Not much virtue in your signaling.

[island911]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

See post number 56. I said the same thing several days ago. No one seems to have an answer for that other than "JUST GET THE DAMN VACCINE".

You can just quote yourself. It is a good question.

Originally Posted by GG Allin

If the vaccinated can still spread the virus, which I've been hearing they can, why do the vaccinated care about who's unvaccinated?

What about all the people who actually had Covid? Why no wide spread news about secondary infections?

Seems to me, natural antibodies is the way to go.

No one talks about natural immunity. - a LOT of people have had this and recovered. 30 million documented.

No one talks about not being obese as a way to not be hospitalized.

We just get this "Get vaccinated. STFU."

oye.

[Racerbvd]

https://youtu.be/QDjvbZd8WEo

[group911@aol.co]

"A basic justification for vaccine mandates is that your freedom doesn’t include the freedom to endanger the rest of your community. The principle is a bedrock of democratic philosophy and the American legal tradition, with courts applying it to a variety of contexts including public health."

“You can’t walk around assaulting people just because you feel like it’s an important part of your self-expression,” Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor, said in an interview. “And you can’t dump pollutants into a town’s drinking water just because you’d rather not pay for cleanup. By the same token, we require kids to get vaccinated for all sorts of illnesses before they go to public school. Otherwise, their bodies could be used as vectors to harm others.”

The most important legal precedent on vaccines specifically is a 1905 case called Jacobson v. Massachusetts, in which the Supreme Court upheld a state law requiring smallpox vaccination for adults. Just this week, a panel from a federal appeals court cited Jacobson when it upheld, unanimously, a new COVID-19 vaccine requirement for students at Indiana University.

[island911]

oh Bob, you poor confused man...

You make it sound as if people are intentionally inventing and spreading virus... Like the Chinese govt. has.

Every single American who contracts the China virus is a victim, not a perp.

[group911@aol.co]

Poor Island. Pulling the victim card again. Man up.

[Racerbvd]

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/european-agency-confirms-covid-19-vaccine-fatalities