Vaccines are moving the needle...

[pavulon]

Tedious? You **** all over, under and through nearly every thread in PARF and now on this side too. Save your complaints. You are the forum cancer.

Originally Posted by javadog

Jesus Christ, this is getting tedious.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Tedious? You **** all over, under and through nearly every thread in PARF and now on this side too. Save your complaints. You are the forum cancer.

Up yours. About all you do is follow me around and insult me.

Why don’t you find something better to do?

[island911]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Tedious? You **** all over, under and through nearly every thread in PARF and now on this side too. Save your complaints. You are the forum cancer.

project much?

sheesh. You can't handle another POV. Ridiculous.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by cabmando

And why didn't the antibodies generated from the polio or smallpox vaccine out compete our innate natural antibodies and destroy the immune system of those who were vaccinated?

They actually were vaccines, perhaps that has something to do with it, or maybe because there is no animal reservoir for those diseases.

What we are using now was not a vaccine until they changed the definition of vaccine.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Tobra

They actually were vaccines, perhaps that has something to do with it, or maybe because there is no animal reservoir for those diseases.

What we are using now was not a vaccine until they changed the definition of vaccine.

So, how would you describe the Pfizer and Mordena mRNA products?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

The previous definitions could have been “interpreted to mean that vaccines were 100% effective, which has never been the case for any vaccine, so the current definition is more transparent, and also describes the ways in which vaccines can be administered,” the spokesperson said.

“It’s also important to note that the modifications to the definition of ‘vaccine’ don’t change the fact that vaccines and the act of vaccination has prevented millions of illnesses and saved countless lives,” the spokesperson said in an email.

There remains the misconception that COVID-19 vaccines were designed to prevent infections altogether, leading people to believe the vaccines aren’t working as they should when they learn about breakthrough infections among the vaccinated.

But the coronavirus vaccines are doing exactly what they were designed to do, which is to prevent severe disease, including the need for hospitalization, and death — even in the presence of more dangerous versions of the virus such as the delta variant.

While data show the coronavirus shots are preventing infections in many outbreak scenarios, the fact breakthrough infections are happening doesn’t suggest failure, experts say.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by pmax

How about Professor Christian Perronne ?
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/frances-long-time-vaccine-policy-chief-covid-policy-is-completely-stupid-and-unethical

Looks to be considered not the opinion of the medical community, but a medical voice of the conspiracy community. Seems like a lot of what he says doesn't make sense. I don't know the bias of these websites, but I found them as top results on duckduckgo:

https://www.archyde.com/christian-perronne-is-there-any-fake-news-that-he-did-not-commit/

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-12-18-%0A---covid-19--professor-perronne-dismissed-from-his-post-as-head-of-department-by-the-aphp%0A--.r17jft0KnP.html

[island911]

So much jibber jabber and so few are willing to talk about the elephant in the room - "Booster shots"

What good is a "vaccine" that requires continual reapplication every few months? (sounds like "prophylactic therapeutic" - not a "vaccine" BTW)

Most vax'd believe that because these offerings are a "vaccine" that any will work like typical vaccines and have durability in immunity. Yet the data says No.

[john70t]

The science is settled! Until it changes again.

The CDC currently recommends that refugees take Ivermectin before entering the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html

Biden Exempts Over 600,000 USPS Workers From Federal Mandatory Vaccination Order
https://www.infowars.com/posts/biden-exempts-over-600000-usps-workers-from-federal-mandatory-vaccination-order/

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by john70t

The science is settled! Until it changes again.

The CDC currently recommends that refugees take Ivermectin before entering the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html

Biden Exempts Over 600,000 USPS Workers From Federal Mandatory Vaccination Order
https://www.infowars.com/posts/biden-exempts-over-600000-usps-workers-from-federal-mandatory-vaccination-order/

Ivermectin for parasites. Policy date update of Feb 6th, 2019.

From your link


USPS is basically a hybrid. They don't get government funding. Paychecks are not from Treasury. I can see them falling into the private company vaccinate or test policy.

[john70t]

So Ivermectin is now safe to use again and the USPS falls under either category of Papa Joe's royal decrees.
Nice spin but it doesn't change much.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by john70t

So Ivermectin is now safe to use again and the USPS falls under either category of Papa Joe's royal decrees.
Nice spin but it doesn't change much.

Ivermectin has always been authorized for use against parasites. That has not changed. A doctor can also prescribe off label. That has not changed. It is required for immigrants due to parasites and not covid. That is not new.

USPS is a hybrid. They receive no government funding though there is government oversight. Employees get paid out of USPS revenue.

[javadog]

Another article that will send the liberals into convulsions but might be of interest to the rest of you:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243546

[Steve Carlton]

No need to PARF this up with making liberals the enemy. You do yourself a discredit by making this political.

I looked at your link above and it seems to be taking its data from here:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf

Did you read the text in that link? I briefly scanned it and don't see anything that supports Karl Denninger's conclusions. It seems like he's applying his own wild conclusions. In the text I see a lot of this kind of discussion:

Vaccine effectiveness
Several studies of vaccine effectiveness have been conducted in the UK which indicate
that a single dose of either vaccine is between 55 and 70% effective against
symptomatic disease, with higher levels of protection against severe disease including
hospitalisation and death. Additional protection is seen after a second dose. There is
now also evidence from a number of studies that the vaccines are effective at protecting
against infection and transmission.

The latest estimates indicate that the vaccination programme has directly averted over
143,600 hospitalisations. Analysis on the direct and indirect impact of the vaccination
programme on infections and mortality, suggests the vaccination programme has
prevented between 24.4 and 24.9 million infections and between 108,600 and 116,200
deaths.

Effectiveness against mortality
Data is also emerging which suggests high levels of protection against mortality. Studies
linking community COVID-19 testing data, vaccination data and mortality data indicate
that both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines are around 70 to 85%
effective at preventing death with COVID-19 after a single dose (3, 12). Vaccine
effectiveness against mortality with 2 doses of the Pfizer vaccine is around 95 to 99%
and with 2 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine around 75 to 99% (week 26 Vaccine
Surveillance Report).

Please cite the doomsday conclusions from the source material that Karl Denninger is coming up with. Maybe it's there- I have limited time to spend on this right now, but I doubt it.

[javadog]

Sorry, you’re on your own.

[Steve Carlton]

So you got nuthin’ as usual.

[javadog]

No, it’s just I’m not your *****. After all the insults you’ve thrown my way and all the disparaging things you’ve said about the links I post, if you think I’m gonna lift a finger to educate your sorry ass, you need to rethink that.

The guy that wrote the article in the link has written quite a bit on that subject and most people would go back to look at his previous writings to see what he said and to get up to speed. Since you know so very little about any of this, I’m not gonna take the time to walk you through it.

[Steve Carlton]

I spent some time looking at your link. I don’t agree with your guys conclusions, so I looked at what he cited as his source. Completely different conclusions there. Beyond that, check out his attitude and how he responds to people who comment on his site. He’s incredibly rude and confrontational. No surprise you’re a fanboy. If you’re going to rely on crackpot websites, don’t expect anybody to take you seriously.

[javadog]

Frankly, I don’t think you understand what you’re reading.

[Steve Carlton]

Did you read the excerpts of the source material I posted here? Did that mean anything to you?

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I spent some time looking at your link. I don’t agree with your guys conclusions, so I looked at what he cited as his source. Completely different conclusions there. Beyond that, check out his attitude and how he responds to people who comment on his site. He’s incredibly rude and confrontational. No surprise you’re a fanboy. If you’re going to rely on crackpot websites, don’t expect anybody to take you seriously.

From the linked source.