Vaccines are moving the needle...

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

It's an ongoing process of moving the goalposts. The data is clear - vaccines are saving lives while the unvaccinated are being hospitalized and dying at a far faster rate. They've already drawn their conclusion; now they're desperately seeking any lingering straw to grasp at to support it.

yup

dying to pwn the libs

[john70t]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Based on what, specifically?

Have you researched this at all, or just watched the tv?

Based upon medical macro-statistics (those of which haven't been altered):
-They indicate the countries completely vaxxed have high death rates than those without any medical intervention.
-They indicate the medical industry has been lying to the public.

[Steve Carlton]

I’ve spent my fair share on this. Can you offer anything besides your “facts”?

[john70t]

Like I mentioned, look at the success rate of those countries fully vaxxed (but still having the most problems) vs. those without any full authoritarian response.

The numbers simple don't add up.
In fact they indicate great harm is being done.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by john70t

Like I mentioned, look at the success rate of those countries fully vaxxed (but still having the most problems) vs. those without any full authoritarian response.

The numbers simple don't add up.
In fact they indicate great harm is being done.

There are no fully vaccinated countries.

[john70t]

Spoon-feeding

Total government compliance:
Native Americans are 98% xaxxed but still being "ravaged". (A separate country you might say.)
https://files.catbox.moe/30t60g.jpeg

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/icelands-rising-covid-19-cases-demonstrate-vaccine-efficacy/ar-AAN4LLI
Aug 08, 2021 · In Iceland, 96% of females and 90% of males 16 years or older have received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine. Its vaccination rate, one of the highest in the world,
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/iceland-deals-with-growing-delta-outbreak-as-high-vaccination-rates-stop-deaths/news-story/b970a814615715e573d67b3a1c1525f0


Versus countries with little government involvement:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/06/29/1011022472/india-is-the-worlds-biggest-vaccine-maker-yet-only-4-of-indians-are-vaccinated
4% vaccination rate and doing fine.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/02/01/962821038/the-mystery-of-indias-plummeting-covid-19-cases

Them too.
https://fee.org/articles/daily-covid-deaths-in-sweden-hit-zero-as-other-nations-brace-for-more-lockdowns/

[cockerpunk]

iceland: 11,000 cases, 33 death

most similar to the US state of wyoming: 81,000 cases, 879 deaths.

so vaccination is about 8 times more effective based on case counts, and 26 times more effective when considering deaths.



why is it that every example you think proves your point, proves ours instead?

[john70t]

Citing one example 'proves everything'?
(you stop there I noticed. The three other countries not even mentioned)

I even sourced NPR. Twice.
But that still wasn't good enough.
But it does show The Science(tm) isn't very scientific.

In order to fully 'prove' that single comparison, why don't you give more details such as daily interaction rates, vaccination levels, types, sources of vaccines (hint:there are many different manufacturers producing all over the world) and other comparable information. Give us all some 8x10 colored glossy photographs to consider. Then your argument might overlap the realm of believably.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by john70t

Citing one example 'proves everything'?
(you stop there I noticed. The three other countries not even mentioned)

I even sourced NPR. Twice.
But that still wasn't good enough.
But it does show The Science(tm) isn't very scientific.

In order to fully 'prove' that single comparison, why don't you give more details such as daily interaction rates, vaccination levels, types, sources of vaccines (hint:there are many different manufacturers producing all over the world) and other comparable information. Give us all some 8x10 colored glossy photographs to consider. Then your argument might overlap the realm of believably.

Do you like numbers and statistics? How about the percentage of unvaccinated vs. vaccinated currently in ICUs and recently died in the USA? I guess you don't like that one.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by john70t

Citing one example 'proves everything'?
(you stop there I noticed. The three other countries not even mentioned)

I even sourced NPR. Twice.
But that still wasn't good enough.
But it does show The Science(tm) isn't very scientific.

In order to fully 'prove' that single comparison, why don't you give more details such as daily interaction rates, vaccination levels, types, sources of vaccines (hint:there are many different manufacturers producing all over the world) and other comparable information. Give us all some 8x10 colored glossy photographs to consider. Then your argument might overlap the realm of believably.

i have done this to you at least 3 different times in 3 different threads. where i looked up the actual numbers, and showed how your argument was dead wrong. in every case, the case load, and the deaths from covid, in similar population groups, based on different vaccination rates, shows CONCLUSIVELY that vaccination reduces case loads, and vastly reduces death rates. often by 10-50 times.

there is no argument based on numbers and facts to depute that.

the only reason you can continue to hold the position you do, and keep repeating the debunked claims you have, is on purpose. being stupid, on purpose.

[john70t]

A statistic pulled out of thin air. So there! And everyone else is stupid.

Where is that one from? CNN? NPR?
So now testing the nostrils of gunshot/motorcycle victims is now the new normal COD?
That's called medical fraud afaik and is supposed to result in losing one's medical license.
(Yeah, even the ones at the top)

[speeder]

Wtf are you talking about? Is this the old, “Covid deaths that were really gunshot victims “ argument? Because the Quniverse has come up with much better lies since then. And excess death numbers prove conclusively that Covid-19 deaths have been significantly undercounted, not the other way around.

Let me guess…the medical examiners and county record keepers are all in on the Deep State conspiracy to inflate those numbers. Same people who tossed millions of Trump ballots down the schitter without somehow clogging every sewage pipe in America. Or maybe it did but the waste water workers were all in on the conspiracy and hid it from the public.

The lengths that you have to go to in order to believe your alternate reality really amaze me.

[island911]

^Read^ : Everything I don't like is Quniverse conspiracy.

oye.

Denis, if you believe that there are no deaths with CV as part of the the Death from CV count... you are an idiot.

When bureaucrats get paid to inflate numbers, they inflate numbers. When Doc's are instructed to list CV for those suspected of having CV ... guess what they do.

But at least no one died of the flu.

[javadog]

What’s with this “if”?

[island911]

OT pleasantries , doncha know.

[javadog]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/covid-whistleblower-doctors-quit-pressured-vax-pressured-lie/

[speeder]

Originally Posted by island911

^Read^ : Everything I don't like is Quniverse conspiracy.

oye.

Denis, if you believe that there are no deaths with CV as part of the the Death from CV count... you are an idiot.

When bureaucrats get paid to inflate numbers, they inflate numbers. When Doc's are instructed to list CV for those suspected of having CV ... guess what they do.

But at least no one died of the flu.

So how do the bureaucrats actually get paid for padding the death numbers? Does each individual medical examiner and each of their staff get paid individually or is the loot distributed to the bosses and they then divvy it up, like cartoon bandits?

Considering the thousands of counties and departments in the U.S., it would seem like an entirely new payroll industry would have had to spring up for this. How did they keep it under wraps? Sort of like the workers who flushed millions of Trump ballots down the schitter without plugging-up the sewers from coast-to-coast? Wait...the waste water officials were in on it. Silly me.

What an astonishing display of mass competence and cooperation in a country where even state secrets cannot be kept under wraps!! Fk'ing amazing...

[island911]

Originally Posted by speeder

So how do the bureaucrats actually get paid for padding the death numbers? Does each individual medical examiner and each of their staff get paid individually or is the loot distributed to the bosses and they then divvy it up, like cartoon bandits?

Considering the thousands of counties and departments in the U.S., it would seem like an entirely new payroll industry would have had to spring up for this. How did they keep it under wraps? Sort of like the workers who flushed millions of Trump ballots down the schitter without plugging-up the sewers from coast-to-coast? Wait...the waste water officials were in on it. Silly me.

What an astonishing display of mass competence and cooperation in a country where even state secrets cannot be kept under wraps!! Fk'ing amazing...

Nothing "under wraps" - Early on incentives were set up to keep the hospitals happy -- big daddy govt pays hospitals $13k for Covid patients on medicaid (and ?) and 3x that ($39k) if they have to go a ventilator.

But keep on pushing that as "conspiracy... oooh...."

[upsscott]

This conspiracy, and it absolutely is a conspiracy, is beyond played out. Some Gateway Pundit article doesn’t prove anything either. You guys are morons for believing this crap and pushing this agenda. It’s well past time that anyone like you (island, Java) are called out for being morons. The time for being nice is over. People like you are prolonging this mess. I have no time or patience for people like yourselves. When you get the virus and if you’re not vaccinated (I know you’re vaccinated Island) you will eventually get the virus, stay home and battle it on your own. Don’t clog up the healthcare system for the rest of us.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by island911

Nothing "under wraps" - Early on incentives were set up to keep the hospitals happy -- big daddy govt pays hospitals $13k for Covid patients on medicaid (and ?) and 3x that ($39k) if they have to go a ventilator.

But keep on pushing that as "conspiracy... oooh...."

So, doctors and hospitals are going to fabricate medical records and treatments and commit Medicare fraud.