Kerry caught lying again! - Page 6

djmcmath · 08-11-2004, 09:44 AM

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Mullholland
Hey Island...did you know JFK (he really really likes his initials) won three purple hearts, a bronze star and a sliver star...ALL IN FOUR MONTHS?....That's INcredible!

John F Kennedy won three purple hearts, a bronze star, and a silver star? He must be a war hero! I'm going to vote for him!

ronin · 08-11-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by techweenie
No one has pointed out a 'Kerry lie' in this thread yet.

in case you've been on vacation and this little gem slipped past you. Kerry testified that he was in Cambodia during Christmas '68 when it was clear that he was not. I'd say that's a lie

island911 · 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Mulholland
Hey Island...did you know JFK (he really really likes his initials) won three purple hearts, a bronze star and a sliver star...ALL IN FOUR MONTHS?....That's INcredible!

Wow, I didn't know that.

This guy Kerry must be some incredible Patriot. . . I would bet everyone who was in his esteemed presence, at that great time in history, must worship their good fortune to have witnessed such heroism.

island911 · 08-11-2004, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by ronin
in case you've been on vacation and this little gem slipped past you. Kerry testified that he was in Cambodia during Christmas '68 when it was clear that he was not. I'd say that's a lie

How did Kerry state that. . .. something like; it was burned in his memory. ?

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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Originally posted by ronin
in case you've been on vacation and this little gem slipped past you. Kerry testified that he was in Cambodia during Christmas '68 when it was clear that he was not. I'd say that's a lie

You say it's 'clear he was not' and I say it's not clear at all. As I posted before (not that it matters) the US made 'illegal' incursions into Cambodia from before it was an official 'war' throughout the conflict. What does anyone outside of the SBVfT have to say about the area of operations of the Swift Boat teams?

island911 · 11:46 AM

Here it is;

"I have that memory, which is seared - seared - in me." J Flipper Kerry.

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Originally posted by techweenie
These are the same guys who called McCain 'dishonorable.' Do you find that claim credible?

Yeah, I've heard rumor that "These are the same guys who called McCain 'dishonorable.'"

Ironically this rumor is coming from the same people that say there exists no link between Saddam and AlQaeda.

So when you say "Same guys" who specifically do you mean?

edit: What I have heard is that some funding people have supported both.

island911 · 08-11-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by techweenie
You say it's 'clear he was not' and I say it's not clear at all. . ..

the thing is, Kerry had yet another story of what he was doing then.

Also, incursions into Cambodia would have been made by smaller boats . . . and clearly no CIA type was likely to say "lets get that young dope Kerry guy to sneek in. . . he's been here a few months and has managed to wound himself on several occations. . . yeah, Kerry is our MAN!"

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

I guess you are going to ignore the incursions by non-CIA, then?

Just do a little search on the web, and you'll find plenty of evidence of incursions into Cambodia by US troops before Spring, 1970.

Kerry was based 55 miles from the Cambodian border. His assignments included interdicting supply lines from Cambodia into Vietnam. The Swift Boats were capable of a 55 mile operating range.

The SBVfT group is proven an unreliable source -- one with big Republican funding and agenda. So let's find a source without a 'dog in the fight' that absolutely says no contemporary Swift Boat operations could have penetrated Cambodian territory. That's not too much to ask, is it?

lendaddy · 08-11-2004, 12:34 PM

"The SBVfT group is proven an unreliable source"

Uhh, how so?

lendaddy · 08-11-2004, 12:39 PM

"So let's find a source without a 'dog in the fight' that absolutely says no contemporary Swift Boat operations could have penetrated Cambodian territory. That's not too much to ask, is it?"

Talk about changing the subject! These guys are NOT saying "no one ever went into Cambodia", they are not cabable of saying that one way or another. They are saying, "I was with John Kerry and we were NOT in Cambodia", that they are able to attest to. Where is the disconnect here?

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Have you missed the conflict between officers' fitreps at the time and what they're saying now about Kerry?

Did you miss the 'eyewitness' account of Kerry complaining about a cut on his lower arm and carrying a piece of shrapnel that conflicted with other recollections?

Did you miss the participant who recanted his condemnation of Kerry before he was told to shut up by the SBVfT crew?

No, this is another smear from the same team that brought you the McCain 'traitor' smear.

I can hardly believe you're giving it any credibility unless you're so hungry for negatives about Kerry that you'd swallow anything.

lendaddy · 08-11-2004, 12:54 PM

Tech,

Based on your statements I can assume you have never heard these guys. I have several times. To dismiss it as a a smear is handy, but dishonest as you have no idea if they are lying. Just wait, more is to come and Kerry will be forced to answer these 200 guys, yes that's 200 guys. I have an idea, release all his records and prove them right, err I mean wrong. But he won't.

Moneyguy1 · 08-11-2004, 12:55 PM

Two things that bother me:

1. Candidates that say they have "no say" over what so-called independent political ads say (on BOTH SIDES, guys)

2. The chumminess between Bush and our Senator McCain after what was done to McCain in 2000

Neither pass the sniff test

lendaddy · 08-11-2004, 01:08 PM

I just finished listening to the doctor that treated Kerry. This man is not doing this for any reason other than to get the truth out. He is not making any money from this. He has no reason to lie. Kerry on the other hand does. Make your own conclusions, but these guys have this down to the detail and invite Kerry to sue them. He won't as then his records would be part of the discovery process and we can't have that. I seriously cannot imagine you believe Kerry on this, just admit he's a lying, self promoting, egomaniac but that you don't care. That would make more sense. Again, much more to come and Kerry is going to have to address it soon.

FWIW, did you know that many of these guys are registered Democrats and have offered up their voting records to disprove the claims of a right wing attack? Not yet? You will.

CamB · CamB's Garage

Len

I just can't believe that SBVfT are doing it "for truth". The impression I get is that they harbour old grudges for Kerry's activism after the war. They have enough motive to call their "independent" credibility into question, and that is before you start looking at their source of funding.

Jason: The fiction that the Sandinistas were some noble and righteous cause, and Reagan was supporting murderers, is just that, a fiction. An evil intentionally deceptive fiction.

That's not the point of contention. The point of contention is that Reagan wouldn't leave Nicaragua (amongst others) alone. The world is not, and never has been, a play thing for the US to manipulate in its own best interests. Some people believe this (especially those OUTSIDE the US) and some don't.

Basically what you fail to understand is that people (like me) can be against the Sandinistas AND the Contras. The enemy of my enemy IS NOT my friend.

Moneyguy1 · 08-11-2004, 06:09 PM

"Excuse me...Would you rat out a fellow American for, say, $100,000"?

"Woah!!! Yeah!! Sure!!"

"Would you do it for $100?"

"Hey...What do you think I am?"

"We have already established that. We are now negotiating the price."

It's happened before, and it will happen again...sadly......

But, no matter who, and no matter when, the defense that none of us were there to be actual eye witnesses means that any party can pretty well say whatever they please about members of the other and get away with it.

This country is on a slippery slope.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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Originally posted by lendaddy
I just finished listening to the doctor that treated Kerry.

Whats his name?

lendaddy · 08-12-2004, 06:11 AM

"Whats his name?"

Louis Letson. Are you now going to ask why his name is not on the paperwork? The guy that signed it was his assistant, a nurse if you will. Apparently this was quite common. Also Mr. Letson was the ONLY doctor on the base the entire time he was there. And then?

Mule · 08-12-2004, 07:41 AM

Money said:
""Excuse me...Would you rat out a fellow American for, say, $100,000"?

"Woah!!! Yeah!! Sure!!"

"Would you do it for $100?"

"Hey...What do you think I am?"

"We have already established that. We are now negotiating the price.""

Good point! 'Cause I've been thinking the same thing. Those nine guys that Kerry got on stage with him probably got a VISA from Theresa. Stay alert.

Moneyguy1 · 08-12-2004, 09:44 AM

Well, Mule, the difference is those nine guys were trying to say something positive rather than tearing another human being (rightly or wrongly) apart.

FWIW, please do a bit of research on Mr. O'Neill. I think you will find his "career" as Kerry hater goes back to his "employment" by the Nixon Whitehouse. Tapes exist and have been played of him being given his marching orders.