911 gas costs

[ianc]

How about tapping the second largest oil deposits in the world , Iraq, and use it to help re-pay the blood from our boy's and girls who so needlessly sacrificed their lives. You're telling me we have no access to this oil or the present gov't is unwilling to fork the oil over after we liberated them from the wrath of Hussein?

Yeah, pretty much... Much as I hate politics, just imagine how it would look if we were to glom onto Iraq's oil for our own purposes after ostensibly invading the country for harboring 'weapons of mass destruction'. Not good. We are pretty much walking on tenterhooks there right now, and appropriating Iraq's oil for our own uses would be counterproductive, to say the least. Think about it.

ianc

[RSBob]

I positively get incensed when yahoos bash President Bush. He has done so much for this country - like the Clean Skies Act. (The beauty of this creates zones for coal power plants to emit the same or more emissions if there are newer cleaner plants in the same zone which don't emit as much, but the total output of all plants in that zone don't exceed X%. No one is forced to clean up their emissions (read acid rain and increasing asthma and lung disease) but we do get a snappy catch phrase for it - kind of like 'No Child Left Behind' - where schools are closed if they don't meet federal mandated test scores - but then there is no provision for the displaced children of closed schools in the surrounding schools. Then there is hill top mining in Kentucky, where the tops of mountains are bulldozed into the surrounding valleys leaching toxic chemicals into the near by streams and lakes, and no amount of profit could pay for resurecting the devistated landscape. Then there is no substancial increase in CAFE standards to increase fuel economy of cars to help us become less dependant on foreign oil from Arabian countries which tollerate terrorists responsible for 9/11 (none Iraqi). And then there is allowing mining companies left to 'monitor' their own waste (slag containing toxic chemicals leaching into our waterways). But don't get me wrong, he has helped the 'very needy' large corporations and the extremely wealthy with massive tax cuts - while running up huge deficit spending which our children's children will have to work to pay off, which would provide them with great job security if outsourcing abroad wasn't encouraged by tax incentives. So please stop bashing our president. He has made long lasting and sometimes irreversable contributions to our country, our environment, our health, and long term economic health. And its good to see that he has not only seen fit that not only we americans benefit by his good acts, but is now exporting them to other countries like Iraq, so they can benefit as well - if they stop killing each other and us long enough to realize the great things to come.

[gost]

I agree with your opinion on the surface and in the publics eye you are absolutely correct but.....the oil could be had covertly just like most of the hanky panky our gov't does. It's there for our taking and without the present governments resistance. You just tell the public that you called in a favor to help our wonderful country in a time of desperate need. Why would Iraq not be willing to help us out? What would that make them look like in our publics eye after what we sacrificed in order to liberate their country? They should do it willingly. Think about it!

[ianc]

Why would Iraq not be willing to help us out? What would that make them look like in our publics eye after what we sacrificed in order to liberate their country? They should do it willingly. Think about it!

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the Iraqis don't really like us that much. I think they did like us a little after we first flushed Saddam down the crapper, but after the months rolled by and we were totally lacking in any kind of plan to keep the power up and security in evidence, they probably began to think we're just as big in the ********* dept. as Saddam was, if not more. They don't see us as true-blue liberators who want to give them choices, but more as profiteering conquerors who only want to make off with their oil.

So, making off with their oil is, probably, not the right thing to do right now.

ianc

[K.B.]

Originally posted by sammyg2

2 years ago on the OT board we were discussing oil and gas, I made the suggestion to buy oil stocks because I predicted and stated they would go through the roof as demand passed supply.
One in particular I mentioned was Valero (VLO).
If anyone took that advise and bought then they would have more than tripled their money so far.

OK what stocks should I buy now? Is there some historical data to show what profits most after gas prices go up? Everything will increase - double digit inflation here we go!

Thank goodness I sold my motorhome last week! (<10mpg)
KB

[gost]

Rick, yeah...that too, well put. Amen to you brotha!
Bush disgusts me to no end. Someone should check and see how much and by what means his net worth has increased by since he's been president and that will open alot of eyes. The man is a silver spoon born snotty ex party animal that has benefited financially by his policies through means of his and his fathers bank accounts. I again can't believe this country put that POS in the drivers seat.

[gost]

ianc... When I said public I meant here in the USA. Then just work the deal with the Iraqi leaders. I Iraq it's not the people who need to like us it's the gov't that we helped come to fruition. I assure you that we only allowed pro USA politicians to run the country. The citizens are another story completely and quite frankly would not play a role in the exportation of oil to the US, they wouldn't even be aware or have a clue.

[ianc]

The citizens are another story completely and quite frankly would not play a role in the exportation of oil to the US, they wouldn't even be aware or have a clue.

Come on. You don't really think that any kind of mass exportation of Iraqi oil to the US, in any kind of meaningful quantity, could actually be brought off covertly? A couple of top Iraqi politicians might secretly agree, but do you really think the logistics of such an enterprise could be kept secret from anybody with a press pass? A recipe for disaster (second time I've used that phrase in two days)!

ianc

[deoxford]

So, making off with their oil is, probably, not the right thing to do right now.


Why not? Is it our job to help rebiuld all nations and suffer at home..NO
TIme to take the oil we need (at a reasonable price) And move on .Do we need to pretend that we don't need it , and fell bad for taking it. NO. It takes millions of dollors to do what we have do for them over there. And that is just in our cost for FUEL! How about just paying us back in OIL. This is the least they can do for all we have done. As a Army vet I would like to see us(the U.S.) get ahead for a change.

As for our fuel prices, They will keep going up. For exampleChevron in MS will be down tilll Thanksgiving .I heard this from the plant manager today. It is not our lack of crude it is our lack to process it. IT will take the Gulf Coast plants that are not damaged at least two weeks to come back up. those with damaged as long as two months.

[gost]

Absolutely it could be done. We're talking perhaps a half million barrels a day which is a drop in the bucket when their refineries come up to full speed. Our gov't has done and continues to do so many things covertly it's shocking. Contras ring a bell? Training and arming Bin Laden and his army to fend off the Russians in Afghanistan ring a bell? Just to name a few.

[makotosun]

Originally posted by Sebring77
Damn! Now I have to shut up about SUVs drinking all the gas!

I had no idea you could get that far on a gallon with one of those hogs.

I have a 2004 Chevy pickup with canopy and v-8. I drove it from just north of Portland, Oregon to Reno, Nevada last fall and got an average of 21 MPG. I was not driving slow, but I did set the cruise around 75 for most of the trip.

Since the day I got it, it has a combined average mileage (per the car's computer) of about 16 mpg. That includes a short stint with a 26' toy hauler on the back and many short trips with at 25' boat hooked up. The big hogs are not as bad as they used to be.

As a comparison, my Valkyrie gets between 20 an 40 mpg with a motor pretty close in design to my '80 SC, which appears to be getting around 17 average. IT does need a tune up, so my mileage may vary.

Today regular at the cheapest station in town (Safeway) was at $2.97.

[ianc]

Why not? Is it our job to help rebiuld all nations and suffer at home..NO

You will find this point debatable. But, it seems to me that at present, our gov't is saying that this is indeed our job. I agree with the idea, if not the execution.

I think you are looking at the problem a bit one-sidedly; from your own perspective only.

Looked at one way: Sure, they should be glad to have us there and they'll be happy now that they can do what they want. We've brought them a great benefit and it's cost us treasure and blood.

Looked at another way: We never asked them to come, but they did. Crusader b!tches. Nothing works since they got here and now they won't get out! Will there be a civil war? Glad I'm a Shi'ite!

Some locally diverted shipments to particular army units on station might not go amiss (provided care was maintained), but mass shipments to the US would be right out.

ianc

[72doug2,2S]

I think Larry Moe and Curly are going to upset for a long time, if they can't do better than Gore and Kerry. Let's see what they come up with for 2008.

[DG624]

I feel like I turned over a rock...it is bad enough with Sammy. Lets not everyone lose control. We really don't need oil that badly..to kill for. Maybe its too late.

My whole premise was that certain social and economic objectives are not and should not be done by private enterprise based on profit. Our energy policy is one. There has been plenty of time since the last energy crisis to reduce our dependence on oil...very little has been done... somethings have been undone like mileage requirements.

[Long Nose]

Canada has as much oil as Iraq!!! For the amount of Money spent on the gulf war - the US could have just bought Canada!!!!

And you could get free health care, all the clean water you need and cheap lumber as a bonus.