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techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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Originally posted by jorian
"....Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody."

Kinda like the current administrations' early investigation into 911. Shut down US airspace except to allow Osama's family, friends and other Saudi pals to jet safely out of the country. Different team, same play.

Actually, the current administration aggressively resisted investigations into 9/11 until they were forced to do it, then redacted large blocks of information that clearly pointed to an al Quaeda attack on NYC and WDC commercial and military centers using commercial aircraft.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 01:24 PM

Who was shoving documents incriminating to the Clinton Administration down their pants, before testifying before the 9-11 Sham?...I forget...Was it Condi Rice?

And you wonder why Bush resisted the "investigation".

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by jorian
Kinda like the current administrations' early investigation into 911. Shut down US airspace except to allow Osama's family, friends and other Saudi pals to jet safely out of the country. Different team, same play.

Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush’s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"In an interview with The Hill yesterday, Clarke said, “I take responsibility for it. I don’t think it was a mistake, and I’d do it again.”

Interesting stuff huh?...You learn something new everyday.

TheHill

Superman · 10-11-2005, 01:27 PM

This "administration" is noted for its secrecy. And then we hear whining about how the media is unkind to the "administration." Anybody see the connection there? Frankly, I think the media should mercilessly bludgeon any administration that attempts to conceal relevant public information. I would like future presidential candidates to understand that coughing up information results in LESS media brutality than not providing the information.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Superman
I would like future presidential candidates to understand that coughing up information results in LESS media brutality than not providing the information.

Unfortunately that theory only applies if the press is ideologically hostile...For instance, Bill Clinton wouldn't cough up quite a bit of info, but the blame was cast on Republicans by the media ("politics of personal destruction")...The nerve.

WhiteWater/TravelGate/900FBI-fileGate/China$$gate/WACO-Gate/MonicaGate/SerbiaGate/PardonGate...Media-Whitewash-Gate.

Superman · 10-11-2005, 02:52 PM

Things are sure interesting where you are Mul but here on Earth the media runs on advertisements and entertainment. Bill Clinton kept the media well-fed. Dubya is applying a starvation strategy. Media is finding good fare in New Orleans and Iraq. And it's likely to get worse. If the media takes the gloves off, you guys will really have something to whine about.

Nathans_Dad · Nathans_Dad's Garage

I'm not saying the Republicans don't have talking points as well. I'm just saying that when the talking points come out of your mouth on this board, either Rep or Dem, it reduces you to yet another talking head instead of a independent thinking individual.

stevepaa · 10-11-2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
All due respect Jorian, for every 1 corrupt Republican I can give you 10 corrupt Democrats.

You lost that one weeks ago. Make a list of convicted felons from administrations.

Your pants are on fire again.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 05:47 PM

From just the Clinton Administration:

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

I could get more specific, but I am not getting paid to do this research.

ProgressiveReview

dafischer · 10-11-2005, 07:07 PM

Why does it always come down to Republican vs. Democrat, and Liberal vs. Conservative? Did you ever stop to think that there might be some Republicans critical of this administration?

How about the approval ratings? Think there might be a few Republicans in the majority that aren't happy?

stevepaa · 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose

I could get more specific, but I am not getting paid to do this research.

Yeah, That's always your problem. You don't have specifics. You just pull out some slander, half truths, innuendo, and unproven allegations.

Want to try again for the third time?

List convicted felons by administration.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevepaa
Yeah, That's always your problem. You don't have specifics. You just pull out some slander, half truths, innuendo, and unproven allegations.

Want to try again for the third time?

List convicted felons by administration.

The deal was you give me one, I will give you 10.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 07:33 PM

For example:

Hubbell resigned from the Justice Department in April of 1994. In late June 1994, Lippo Chief James Riady met with John Huang and Bill Clinton during five days of White House visits. Early the next week, a Lippo unit paid Hubbell about $100,000. In December 1994, Hubbell pled guilty to several felony charges relating to illegal billing in the Whitewater affair. Webb Hubbell also cited his Fifth Amendment rights to not testify before the Senate Congressional hearings.

Web Hubbell

Rep. Albert Bustamante (D-Texas) was convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges for, among other deeds, using his office to collect gratuities from a company trying to win an Air Force food contract. He was sentenced to 54 months.

Rep. Walter Fauntroy (D-Washington, D.C.), the nonvoting delegate from D.C., was charged with lying on a financial disclosure form about a charitable contribution. He pleaded guilty in 1995 to the felony and was sentenced to probation.

Rep. Carroll Hubbard Jr. (D-Ky.) pleaded guilty in 1994 to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to the theft of government property. Hubbard received a three-year sentence.

Rep. Joseph Kolter (D-Pa.) pleaded guilty in May 1996 to pocketing $9,300 from the House post office. The ailing Kolter was sentenced to six months in a Minnesota federal medical center.

Rep. Nicholas Mavroules (D-Mass.) got 15 months in a minimum-security prison in 1993 after pleading guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.

Rep. Mary Rose Oakar (D-Ohio) pleaded guilty in 1997 to two misdemeanors for funneling $16,000 through fake donors. She faces up to two years in prison.

Rep. Carl Perkins Jr. (D-Ky.) pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the FEC, writing illegal checks, and filing false personal finance disclosure statements. He was sentenced in 1995 to 21 months.

Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.) ran unopposed in 1994, despite (eventually proven) charges of criminal sexual assault and child pornography. In 1995, he got a five-year sentence. In 1997, he was convicted of lying on loan and campaign finance statements and got 78 more months.

Rep. Dan Rostenkowski (D-Ill.) was indicted in 1994 on 17 felony charges, including the embezzlement of $695,000 in taxpayer and campaign funds. The longtime House Ways and Means chairman plea-bargained his way down to two counts of mail fraud and served 17 months in a Wisconsin minimum-security prison.

Rep. Larry Smith (D-Fla.) was sentenced in 1993 to three months in federal prison for income tax evasion.

Rep. Walter Tucker III (D-Calif.) won in 1994 despite a pending indictment that he took bribes while mayor of Compton. In 1996, he was sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by stevepaa
You don't have specifics. You just pull out some slander, half truths, innuendo, and unproven allegations.

Want to try again for the third time?

List convicted felons by administration.

Your queen is being threatened...Your move, and make it good or I will have checkmate in 2 moves.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 07:41 PM

How Hillary didn't get convicted for insider trading is beyond me...

Hillary Rodham Clinton was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time, according to trade records the White House released yesterday.

The computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of trading, she made nearly $100,000, relying heavily on advice from her friend James B. Blair, an experienced futures trader.

WashingtonCompost

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 07:52 PM

But a closer look reveals a one-sided probe that's focused only on donors who gave illegal gifts, and not government officials who accepted them.

All 26 prosecuted are Democrat donors: Pauline Kanchanalak, Duangnet Kronenberg, James Tjahaja Riady, Audrey Yu, Cha-Kuek Koo, Yi Chu, Man Ho, Maria Hsia, Yogesh Gandhi, Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Yuan Pei "Antonio" Pan, John Huang, Johnny Chung, Robert S. Lee, David Chang, Juan C. Ortiz, Mark B. Jimenez, Michael Brown, Lawrence Penna, Berek Don, Carmine Alampi, Howard Glicken, Franklin Haney (acquitted) and Nora, Gene and Trisha Lum.

Yet on the receiving end, no former White House or Democratic Party official – with the exception of Huang, who President Clinton installed at the Democratic National Committee in 1996 – has been prosecuted after nearly five years of investigation. (Justice first assigned lawyers to the case on Nov. 1, 1996. The task force was formed in January 1997.)

WorldNetDaily

Hillary's experience prosecuting Presidents must have come in handy...Good advice not taping themselves.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 10:30 PM

Trafficant
Torricelli
Berger
Mayor Daley (Chicago)
Espy
Jim Guy Tucker
Clarence Norman Jr.
John O'Hara
Gib Lewis (Ronnie Earle target)
Henry G. Cisneros

Convicted of conspiracy and vote fraud and facing five years on each count were:

• Kelvin Ellis, a Democratic precinct committeeman and former East St. Louis city government department head who served a federal prison term for extortion in the early 1990s.

• Yvette Johnson, secretary to the city Democratic organization.

• Democratic precinct committeemen Sheila Thomas and Jesse Lewis.

Lynn Stewart (providing material aid to terrorists)
Gary Condit
Edwin Edwards
Mayor Marion Berry
Lyndon LaRouche
Mel Reynolds

cowtown · 10-11-2005, 10:45 PM

Mul, you are breaking one of the rules in your sig. I'll leave it up to you to figure out if it's the singing pig one, or the other one.

Mulhollanddose · 10-11-2005, 10:53 PM

But I just started having fun...

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Reagan administration still has the greatest number of convictions, AFAIK: 32

As for Clinton's,

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Whitewater:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Travel Office allegations:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with alleged abuse of FBI files:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/of convicted in connection with Lewinsky matter:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel
investigation of Interior Secretary Bruce Babbit:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel
investigation of Labor Secretary Alexis Herman:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel
investigation of Americorps director Eli Siegal:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the
Independent Counsel investigation of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown:

0 (Investigation abandoned upon Brown’s death in nation’s service)

Clinton Administration officials convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of
Agriculture Secretary Michael Espy:

0 (Espy acquitted of all charges. Judge sharply rebukes Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz for bringing case in the first place.)

Lots of money ($60 million?) spent by Republicans to 'get' Clinton. As many as 200 FBI agents tied up -- distracted from chasing terrorists -- to pursue Clinton.