Christmas is gone - Page 2

Eric 951 · 11-23-2005, 08:59 AM

That new cellphone commercial for chrismakwannukah is pretty funny--where they are running a telathon and the folks answering the phones are "Buddhist cowboy", "jew 1", the "santa robot." I laugh out loud evertime it comes on.

Vipergrün · 11-23-2005, 09:10 AM

Christmas is just a over-commercialized event anyway. Just an excuse to spend money that you do not have and watch the impact that spending, or lack thereof has on the economy aka Black Friday. Give me a break.

Panties a bit tight there Thom? Dang you sure are angry, talk about intolorant.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

FWIW, I was in Mainland China last January and there were Christmas signs and decorations everywhere. A lot of them said "Merry Christmas" in English. I saw plenty of this in places where very few westerners venture. It's pretty sad when an officially atheist state can do this and we can't.

Vipergrün · 11-23-2005, 09:34 AM

BTW, aren't Atheism, Agnosticism, and Satanism all forms of religon. And isn't it the beliefs of these religons which are being imposed on the world today in place of Christianity?

ness · 11-23-2005, 09:36 AM

You get the same stuff in the UK I'm afraid, though it still seems to cause some waves with the public:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4398680.stm

At least in this case they backed down when it all when pear-shaped...

masraum · 11-23-2005, 09:39 AM

When I'm talking to people on the phone for business I say something like "Have a great holiday season." But that's because I talk to people all over the world who may or may not celebrate X-mas, but a Christmas tree is a Christmas tree, not a holiday tree.

Yes, the PC movement makes me want to puke. "you can't say that because it might offend someone." Sounds to me like "someone" may need some toughening up, a little thicker skin, or just to shut the F up. Sheesh. Sorry, just get testy when I think about this crap. I hate when a company says "there are no problems, only challenges." Give me a break. It's a problem, but that doesn't mean that it can't be overcome.

IROC · IROC's Garage

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Originally posted by bb80sc
BTW, aren't Atheism, Agnosticism, and Satanism all forms of religon. And isn't it the beliefs of these religons which are being imposed on the world today in place of Christianity?

Your whole post is silly. Atheism and agnosticism are not religions. I don't even know any "Satanists". How many of those are there these days? :>)

Who is imposing Satanism on you?

Mike

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

It's fine with me if "Christmas" disappears from store ads and TV commercials.

I fail to understand what is so important about the commercial aspects of Christmas. I always throught the commerce part was supposed to have minor significance to Christians.

As for government 'endorsement,' well, there is no 'state religion' by law.

Most Christians I know are not so weak that they need reinforcement of the commercial aspects of Christmas all around them.

slakjaw · 11-23-2005, 10:01 AM

why does it matter what THEY call it?

IS it a freaking christmas tree to you???

I dont get what all the fuss is about. People dont see their beliefs being reinforced in some stupid add and they get pissed.

give me a break

Vipergrün · 11-23-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by IROC
Your whole post is silly. Atheism and agnosticism are not religions. I don't even know any "Satanists". How many of those are there these days? :>)

Who is imposing Satanism on you?

Mike

Silly, yeah right. Ok, so they may not be religions per se, but the belief of non-belief, which IS being imposed on society. I am making a general statement about this, not saying that anyone is imposing satanism, but a general imposition against anything having to do with God. If you say that the word God should be banned from certain things, then you are imposing your belief on me, which is no better than me imposing my beliefs on you. One of the definitions of religion is " A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion." If you take that literally, then any person who actively seeks to remove God from society IS practicing a religion. Since atheists do not believe in God, it would be fair to say this person is practicing the religion of atheism.. Don't blame me, I did not make up the definition.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

Poltical correctness means always having to say your sorry.

IROC · IROC's Garage

I'm not blaming you, but you *are* making up definitions. The "belief of a non-belief" does not constitute a religion. Plus, I don't understand how anyone is imposing anything on you. If anything, it's the other way around. ID in *public* schools, the Ten Commandments in courtrooms, "In God we Trust" on money, "Under God" in the Pledge - these all seem to be imposing Christian beliefs on society to me.

Who is actively trying to remove God from society? Maybe actively trying to keep the government from spending our tax dollars to promote a particular religion or teach our children religious mythology in school, but not trying to remove God from society.

Merry Christmas!

Mike

VINMAN · 11-23-2005, 10:47 AM

Tech , for once I agree with you on something. I dont go for the whole commercial aspect of xmas either. It has become nothing but a big $$ making venture. The whole meaning of it has become secondary to most.

oldsam · 11-23-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by techweenie
It's fine with me if "Christmas" disappears from store ads and TV commercials.

I fail to understand what is so important about the commercial aspects of Christmas. I always throught the commerce part was supposed to have minor significance to Christians.

Doesn't about 70% or more of consumer retail business for a calendar year take place between Thanksgiving and Christmas?

Like so much of today's world, it's all about the money. Take away Christmas, and the economy would take a nose-dive.

VINMAN · 11-23-2005, 10:51 AM

Slakjaw, it has nothing to do with anyones beliefs being "reinforced" it has to do with something being changed because of some moron with too much time one thier hands deciding that they are suddenly offended by a tradition that has been around way before they where even born.

EdT82SC · 11-23-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by oldsam
Doesn't about 70% or more of consumer retail business for a calendar year take place between Thanksgiving and Christmas?

Like so much of today's world, it's all about the money. Take away Christmas, and the economy would take a nose-dive.

It's about 60% of profits (not sales) in the final quarter of the year.

EdT82SC · 11-23-2005, 11:03 AM

Christmas as it is celebrated today with a jolly elf, and "Christmas" trees is so totally pagan anyways I don't see why anyone could get bent out of shape. Calling it a Chistmas tree is relabeling the pagan practice of tree decorating during the winter solstice. And red, green and white are druidic holy day colors. BTW, I love Christmas, and it is my favorite time of year.

notfarnow · 11-23-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by VINMAN
Tech , for once I agree with you on something. I dont go for the whole commercial aspect of xmas either. It has become nothing but a big $$ making venture. The whole meaning of it has become secondary to most.

Yuppers. And I'm not even religious... Christamas to me is more about time off with family.

A few years ago I noticed we spent more time at the mall than we spend together. This is going to be our third year of "Make it, Bake it or I won't take it"(TM). Last year we spent no time or money shopping at all. We gave away maple syrup made from the maples at our house, and homemade pesto my wife makes. We spent the whole holidays at home making gifts, or with family & friends. It was the best Christams I ever had.

It was a hard sell at first, but most of our family really got into it. We're going hardcore this year, any storebought gifts we recieve will go to charity.

The exception to this is kids. I still like to buy toys for them.

tobster1911 · 11-23-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by IROC
...these all seem to be imposing Christian beliefs on society to me.

Who is actively trying to remove God from society? Maybe actively trying to keep the government from spending our tax dollars to promote a particular religion or teach our children religious mythology in school, but not trying to remove God from society.

This made me laugh outloud. DO you really believe what you just wrote? You talk about how christians are "imposing" but when it comes to attempting to completely remove any and all references to God (no matter how benign or historical) it suddenly becomes simply acting in the interest of the country. Talk about a silly post...

EdT82SC · 11-23-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by tobster1911
This made me laugh outloud. DO you really believe what you just wrote? You talk about how christians are "imposing" but when it comes to attempting to completely remove any and all references to God (no matter how benign or historical) it suddenly becomes simply acting in the interest of the country. Talk about a silly post...

Based on what you just wrote I assume you are refering to your own post.