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You try to preserve the de-facto state religion by flying it under the radar and labelling such references as 'benign' or 'historical', yet if the word 'god' was replaced by 'mohammed' or 'flying spaghetti monster' you'd be ranting and like this 'god warrior' http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=5sjSVEch-sc&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b It's the xtians that are imposing the PC crap; they need the warm reassurance of their faith by seeing it on every government building and in every shop window.
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Yes it does... It has everything to do with someones beliefs being reinforced. Otherwise, it wouldnt matter. |
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Oh, one more thing.
Its actually called a pine tree. or a conifer. Why dont we all just call it by what it really is. Pinophyta. Because thats what is really is after all. That should solve everything. |
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My entire point was to show that people phrase things to make their own position sound good. I was never trying to make the point that "xtians are somehow entitled" to anything.  To subtle a point I guess....
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The tradition of decorating a tree is a pagan tradition....to celebrate the winter solstice.
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I do believe what I wrote. I don't see atheists and agnostics *imposing* their beliefs (or lack thereof) on anyone. How many atheist shows are on TV Sunday morning? How many atheist TV networks are there? How many atheist radio stations are there? How many atheists come to your door and give you a hard time for going to church? How many atheists stand on the street corners of major intersections with signs saying "There is no God", etc.?
Yet, I see people getting riled up saying "prayer has been removed from schools" (not true) or pissed off because Target doesn't use the word "Christmas" in their flyers. Sheesh! I do, somewhat understand your point, and I am being a bit facetious but I think you're reaching somewhat to say that atheists are imposing their lack of belief on anyone. Mike
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Christmas is/was a celbration for the rebirth of longer days...eg the the Winter Solstice... And finaly MOT hit $24.99 a share today....
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So no, that's not what Christmas is...... Edit: interestingly though, it is rumored the early Christians changed the date of the birth of Jesus celebration so as to crush the Pagan holiday... Last edited by cool_chick; 11-23-2005 at 12:26 PM.. |
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Christmas....December 25th....is a celebration of the rebirth of longer days....the Winter Solistice...which was a non-Christian Celebration.... The Celebration of the BIRTH of Christ is the celebration of the rebirth of hmmm mankind ....a new begining as it were.. Thus Northern European converts to the Christian Religion convientily put the 2 Celebrations together... Does it really matter which day you choose to celebrate the birth of Christ...the point is that your honoring his birth....Now personally I would choose December 18th as Christmas, cause it is Keith Richards B-Day... and BTW I heard from someone who was Backstage at the Rolling Stones concert at the Mandaly Bay that they were especially tight...and Keith is playing better than ever...
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I just need to know when to celebrate the incarnation of the Speghetti Monster.
And also, how to decorate. This article provided without comment. okay... just one comment. You may also want to read this regarding the Jeremiah passages mentioned.
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I am Pagan. Wiccan, to be exact. Although Christmas is a "stolen" holiday that was meant to make Pagan people more comfortable with conversion, I am not at all offended by the notion of Christmas. I find it interesting that Yule logs are still burned during the Christmas season. The trees and decorations. Purely a Pagan practice. What I am offended by though, is the near total dissmissal of the Pagan origins of the holiday. Cool_chick, it's not rumor. It's fact. The Yule celebrations were around loong before Christ came along. Have a happy Yule, Christmas, Hanukka (sp?), Kwanza, whatever it is you do. And as far as political correctness goes, I'm tired of whiney little people who gets offended by every little thing. |
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(Sung to the tune of Holly, Jolly (bleep)mas)
Have a RamaHanuKwanzMas It's the P.C. time of year. Every holiday display because of morbid fear. Happy RamaHanuKwanzMas Yeah, we know the name is queer. Oh good golly, Can't offend nobody on (bleep)mas this year! Oh no, the Eskimos need a holiday We'll get right back to you when we think up one for gays. Happy RamaHanuKwanzMas, What a time for winter cheer. But if you see a Christmas tree, You'll hear Christmas jeers. Screw you ACLU, for winning the 12 million in your lawsuit versus Santa and his elves Have a RamaHanuKwanzMas And everyone must now adhere, So by golly don't hang up that holly on (bleep)mas this year Yeah, and no more sleigh bells either AFJ
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Christmas' celebration on Dec 25 originated from the Roman persecutions of the Christians. Since the Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice during this time, Christians moved it to fall under this feast so that they could assemble and celebrate without suspicion. Pagan persecution formed the Christmas season as we know it, guys. Another point: if we do away with Christmas, what's the need for an end-of-the-year holiday? The Jews don't need Hanukah if Christmas is taboo. Kwanzaa is an invented holiday without religious significance. Hell, let's send our politicians back to work and get rid of these long recesses. No visiting relatives, no paid vacations for anybody. Let's just sit there and do nothing. Forget the Salvation Army and the increased rate of donations starting now...let the poor tough out the early winter. Let's just ban any holidays that have no patriotic significance. Forget New Year's, Thanksgiving, and the rest. Of course, then we'll have the anarchists in court next decrying the travesty of a town's display of Fourth of July fireworks. Let's just become machines...holidays are for girly men. It's clear here who was never a child once. 
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Because it is believed Jesus was born in another month (April...or November...? can't remember now)... |
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I heard somewhere that santa won't be having kids sitting on their laps this year......officials are worried about problems (kids/laps...etc.). Seems I heard it on the radio..... I can't remember where now, seems like it was another country though..... Has anyone else hear that and remember the details? |
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