Israel

[nine_one_4]

I remember seeing the Israeli Prime Minister on Larry King Live shortly before they handed the Gaza strip back to the Palestinians and he said that there would be more security for Israel because of it. I figured that I must be a genius because I thought that it would just bring their enemies closer to their border ... and he couldn't see that because he's not a genius like I am so I really couldn't blame him for his stupidity.

[Howard Agency]

Originally posted by on-ramp
didn't the Jews crucify God's son 2,000 years ago?....boy, did they pick the wrong man.

Wrong son??

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Howard Agency
Wrong son??

What I find immensely interesting is the fact that some dude, said to be the Messiah, bounced around and was executed as Isaiah predicted. This guy, it is said, fulfilled all the prophecies yet his own people rejected him. The Jews are scattered. Some say a price payed for once again rejecting Yawheh, and his Son the Messiah. The Temple is destroyed, blood sacrifice comes to an end as there is no longer an Arc of the Covenant..2000ish years elapse and guess what spirit, embodied in a Nation, is the greatest friend Israel ever had?...The spirit of Jesus is the very heart of this great nation, America, and all but the liberal Christians stand firmly, resolutely, on Israel's side...2000 years later and Jesus, the embodiment of the Father on Earth, still loves and protects his people.

Interestingly all those nations, and people, that reject Christ, or have a more liberal Christian theology, tend to despise the Jews or take sides with their mortal enemies.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I lived in the south for four years and it was four years too long. No plans to go back.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What I find immensely interesting is the fact that some dude, said to be the Messiah, bounced around and was executed as Isaiah predicted. This guy, it is said, fulfilled all the prophecies yet his own people rejected him. The Jews are scattered. Some say a price payed for once again rejecting Yawheh, and his Son the Messiah. The Temple is destroyed, blood sacrifice comes to an end as there is no longer an Arc of the Covenant..2000ish years elapse and guess what spirit, embodied in a Nation, is the greatest friend Israel ever had?...The spirit of Jesus is the very heart of this great nation, America, and all but the liberal Christians stand firmly, resolutely, on Israel's side...2000 years later and Jesus, the embodiment of the Father on Earth, still loves and protects his people.

Interestingly all those nations, and people, that reject Christ, or have a more liberal Christian theology, tend to despise the Jews or take sides with their mortal enemies.

The only problem with your belief system is that you think the modern state of Israel is the same as biblical Israel, and it is of course no such thing.

Biblical Israel has been gone a long time, and has yet to return, and is unlikely to do so. When they start stoning adulterers and cancel the annual Tel Aviv gay pride parade, then maybe I'll reconsider.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
I lived in the south for four years and it was four years too long. No plans to go back.

Which is something that we intentionally work on, very dilligently. I can't tell you how much better it is here, because you and like minded folks leave and never return. Would that we were more successful.

We're working on that.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

To each their own I guess. If you've found your nirvana there, good for you. I honestly hope you enjoy it. It ain't for me. I've found mine elsewhere.

[RoninLB]

Why do S Carolina women light up when they meet a guy who is not from the south east ?

[Howard Agency]

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What I find immensely interesting is the fact that some dude, said to be the Messiah, bounced around and was executed as Isaiah predicted. This guy, it is said, fulfilled all the prophecies yet his own people rejected him. The Jews are scattered. Some say a price payed for once again rejecting Yawheh, and his Son the Messiah. The Temple is destroyed, blood sacrifice comes to an end as there is no longer an Arc of the Covenant..2000ish years elapse and guess what spirit, embodied in a Nation, is the greatest friend Israel ever had?...The spirit of Jesus is the very heart of this great nation, America, and all but the liberal Christians stand firmly, resolutely, on Israel's side...2000 years later and Jesus, the embodiment of the Father on Earth, still loves and protects his people.

Interestingly all those nations, and people, that reject Christ, or have a more liberal Christian theology, tend to despise the Jews or take sides with their mortal enemies.

Originally posted by fastpat
The only problem with your belief system is that you think the modern state of Israel is the same as biblical Israel, and it is of course no such thing.

Biblical Israel has been gone a long time, and has yet to return, and is unlikely to do so. When they start stoning adulterers and cancel the annual Tel Aviv gay pride parade, then maybe I'll reconsider.

Wow, and I was just talking about syntax....

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Noah
No, you don't. You pick and choose your obsessions, and then make embarassingly poor attempts to dress up such obsessions in the garb of high principle.

I've never seen you express "concern" for people "displaced by government" (whatever that poorly-wrought phrase means). Please tell us Pat, oh great humanitarian, about all the people in the world you express concern for. I don't recall you ever expressing much concern for the Kurds in Norther Iraq, who were, to put it politely, "displaced by government" -- into mass graves. I've never seen you express concern for the black people who were taken from Africa and sold legally into slavery in your favorite region of the U.S., which is another example of people "displaced by government." And I've certainly never heard you express concern for the Native Americans who lived in North America before European settlers arrived. Those people, too, were "displaced by government" -- but on this forum, you carry on at length about the various titles your ancestors have to the land and what a genuine true Southerner you are. Yet in your fertile imagination, the Jews have stolen Arab land -- even if they had, on what grounds do you criticise them? Certainly not on the grounds that it is illegitimate for peoples to displace eachother, which has been happening regularly in every part of the world since the beginning of time, and will continue to happen. You know, like your storied ancestors did when they arrived in South Cakalaka. What rank hypocrisy.

The only thing interesting about your various swindles, fabrications, and mendacities is the creativity with which you attempt to disguise them with intellectual consistency. Why not drop this silly pretention already? You should really spend less time trying to hustle people with your half-baked theories, and more time posing for pictures in your jihad and SWAT team gear. That's where your real talent shines through.

And if you'd ever read someone other than Justin Raimondo, who, like you, is obsessed with Israel and the Jews, you'd know that the explosion that killed the family in Gaza wasn't caused by an IDF artillery shell -- it was killed by a mine Hamas planted on the beach (it's quite fair to say that the IDF has a far greatern concern for Palestinian civilians than does the Palestinians' own government). This is well-established. Go pick up a newspaper, Pat.

Utter garbage, and not even well written garbage.

Try again. No, come to think of it, don't, one helping of this drivel is enough.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Eric 951
Now an illegal invasion into the North was legitimate, although in countless threads you posted the sentiments that"anyone killed while invading another's lands got what they deserved".

No, that's not what I stated. I said anyone initiating an invasion of another country deserves to lose, and I stand by that concept. The Confederacy did not initiate the War for Southern Freedom, the Union government did that to stop self government in the south.

As a further example, any Iraqi coming to the USA, and launching an attack would be within legitimate parameters of warfare since the US government started the aggression.

As I said, at your next LOSer gathering present the case that Pickett and all of his men got what they deserved.

Since Pickett was defending his nation, I doubt I'll do that.

What you need is a good history lesson.

[Taz's Master]

Pat, what about the residents of Southern states who fought for the Union? Were they defending their country?

When a nation like Iraq invades another nation like Kuwait, are you saying there should be no international response?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Taz's Master
Pat, what about the residents of Southern states who fought for the Union? Were they defending their country?

No, they were traitors to both their country and to the idea of governance by the consent of the governed. They were fighting for government by force and against the principles upon which the United States of America were founded.

When a nation like Iraq invades another nation like Kuwait, are you saying there should be no international response?

Since the US government told the Iraqi's that they could do what they wished in their long time dispute with Kuwait, the latter had been stealing Iraqi oil by slant drilling for a long time, I would say no, there was no reason for international military action. Or, since one member nation had invaded another member nation, the UN should have acted, but barred the US government from participation because of the duplicity that was well known at the time. The Bush'ists knew full well what they wanted to happen, unfortunately Hussein fell headlong into their trap by acting as they expected.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Noah
Thank you for that compelling rebuttal, Pat. You've really risen to the challenge and proven your mettle. Those who say that you're an intellectual coward just don't know what they're talking about.

When it's obvious that someone is a shill for another country, in this case Israel, I hardly have an obligation to treat his, your, rant as either rational nor worthy of response from an intellectual perspective. You spew one Israel Lobby talking point after another, and play the anti-Semitic card when confronted, or wait for Mul to play it for you.

All of the above makes your position dishonorable, and words more or less garbage.

It's well past time for the US government to stop its' assistance to Israel for the latter to continue to steal Palestinian land. The current Israeli forced "uni-state" solution is completely unacceptable, is in violation of international law, and cannot be justified by any known circumstance.

[Taz's Master]

So the men who fought against a representative government with whom they disagreed in defense of their property were traitors?

You must take a dim view of France's meddling in the Revolutionary War.

Regardless, Happy 4th.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Taz's Master
So the men who fought against a representative government with whom they disagreed in defense of their property were traitors?

That is correct, the proper position to take would have been for them to do nothing.

You must take a dim view of France's meddling in the Revolutionary War.

Regardless, Happy 4th.

I'm not wild about it, but keep in mind that France participated for their own selfish reasons, not from a position of sympathy for Americans seceding from Britain. That, in fact, was a concern for Franklin when he was in France negotiating French assistance. Would they help America throw out a ruling monarch? In the end it was the old, "the enemy of my enemy, is my friend" philosophy that won out. The French monarchy didn't realize, apparently, that they only had a llittle over 7 years remaining after the Battle of Yorktown.

[Aurel]

Maybe we could ask that very simple question and drop all hypocrisy now: What is it about the Jews that made Hitler feel like killing them all, and how could he convince the Germans to go with that plan? It is one of those questions that no one ever dares asking or considering. Where could such deeply rooted hatred have come from? And why is it that the arabs now feel the same hatred towards them?

Aurel

[Taz's Master]

Pat, was I describing Southerners who fought for the Union, or secessionists?

[Howard Agency]

Originally posted by Aurel
Maybe we could ask that very simple question and drop all hypocrisy now: What is it about the Jews that made Hitler feel like killing them all, and how could he convince the Germans to go with that plan? It is one of those questions that no one ever dares asking or considering. Where could such deeply rooted hatred have come from? And why is it that the arabs now feel the same hatred towards them?

Aurel

Interesting point. IMO it’s for the same reason that some people blame anyone other than themselves for their failures, and it’s easier to blame a group. Just read the board. It could be a perfect world if we didn’t have immigrants, blacks, liberals, conservatives, Muslims, Christians, whatever.

Individual hate is pretty common, too. How often do you hear, “I would be happy if it weren’t for my (spouse, boss, job, location etc.)

To be kind, I could call people who believe this to be provincial. Or drop the hypocrisy and call them stupid.

[Mr_Wizard]

Originally posted by RoninLB
Why do S Carolina women light up when they meet a guy who is not from the south east ?

I second this. I was single for a long time in NC, got married (7 years), and am newly single. I got more than a few notches on my bed post from southern women who are sick and tired of the good ol' boy mentality. Now I do have a lot of friends who are good ol' boys and big time rednecks, but damn there are some backwards ass mfers in the south. And I think Patsy is on the top tier of that pyramid.