Dems win the Senate...

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Me? I didn't do it, idiots in my party tried to appease the left with that. That program is far removed from anything my party stands for.

If you recall, the '04 elections had that as an issue and both parties were promising a drug plan. They would have created an even larger program, no doubt.

Oh, now it's "trying to appease" now..... LMAO

And they *would've* huh? They *would've* why? Just because Lendaddy says so?

Face the facts bud, your party's a bunch of socialists.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Oh, now it's "trying to appease" now..... LMAO

And they *would've* huh? They *would've* why? Just because Lendaddy says so?

Face the facts bud, your party's a bunch of socialists.

Some are, yes...or at least close. A much higher percentage of Dems are socialists...hell some admit it. Only an absolute dolt would claim that dems would spend less than Republicans with complete power to do so.

You need to realize that there are a lot of RINO's in our party. A conservative Republican does not propose these programs.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Some are, yes...or at least close. A much higher percentage of Dems are socialists...hell some admit it. Only an absolute dolt would claim that dems would spend less than Republicans with complete power to do so.

You need to realize that there are a lot of RINO's in our party. A conservative Republican does not propose these programs.

Only a dolt would claim without any sort of factual basis whatsoever that dems will spend more than the most wildly spendthrift republican congress/WH in HISTORY.

A conservative republican wouldn't have been supporting this liberal admin/congress for the last few years. So that would not be you. That's why so many left your party...but then you guys mislabeled those who point out the socialist republicans as 'liberals" for calling out the socialists in power, and you yourself continued to support your socialist party.

Sad.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Only a dolt would claim without any sort of factual basis whatsoever that dems will spend more than the most wildly spendthrift republican congress/WH in HISTORY.

A conservative republican wouldn't have been supporting this liberal admin/congress for the last few years. So that would not be you. That's why so many left your party...but then you guys mislabeled those who point out the socialist republicans as 'liberals" for calling out the socialists in power, and you yourself continued to support your socialist party.

Sad.

I supported none of the spending, none of us did. We wil all leave the party if it continues...or rather we will accept that the party has left us.

The alternative is worse.

Had Clinton had a dem congress we would have had Hillary Care...it would be the largest spending program in our history, republicans blocked it....there is one piece of evidence, don't choke on it

[fintstone]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Only a dolt would claim without any sort of factual basis whatsoever that dems will spend more than the most wildly spendthrift republican congress/WH in HISTORY.
....

CC
What do you base this on? Are you saying it is the most spendthrift Repub congress or the most spendthrift congress (including Democratic ones)?

[lendaddy]

Anyone with sense need only look at the congressional votes on new socialist spending programs to learn the truth. Far and away you will find many more Dem yes votes than Rep yes votes. For most of us this is common sense.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by fintstone
CC
What do you base this on? Are you saying it is the most spendthrift Repub congress or the most spendthrift congress (including Democratic ones)?

congress period. Except I should've said except Roosevelt.

You guys are trying to make people think that wild liberal congressional and presidential spending is ok, as long as it's a republican doing it. You're trying to scare people to allow those doing it to continue.

[fintstone]

Based on what?

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by cool_chick

You guys are trying to make people think that wild liberal congressional and presidential spending is ok, as long as it's a republican doing it.

Show me one of us that even once defended or supported any of this socialist spending. I'll wait.

That's really the ass kicker about claiming things, every now and then you have to back it up

[lendaddy]

Tells ya what, searching for exact quotes can be a bastard so why don't you just tell us which program or spending increase you recall us defending and we'll go from there.

[cool_chick]

Lendaddy, you supported them by supporting keeping them in power so they can continue their socialist ways.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Lendaddy, you supported them by supporting keeping them in power so they can continue their socialist ways.

Ahh...

OK, how about this, you throw out a social program created or expanded in, lets say the last 10 years and we'll pull the roll on the votes. Care to guess which side will favor the Yea's?

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Ahh...

OK, how about this, you throw out a social program created or expanded in, lets say the last 10 years and we'll pull the roll on the votes. Care to guess which side will favor the Yea's?

Medicare prescription plan.

Edit: any budget plan

[cool_chick]

BTW, this shouldn't be about "sides".....this should be about America. Your "side" (in your head, that is) is friggin bunch of socialists.

[Moneyguy1]

Please separate social programs from "socialism". Otherwise the concept becomes just as meaningless as "liberal" and "conservative".

A comment on defense spending....As a small percentage of GDP......If this percentage were to be increased, how would we pay for it? (And don't say cut the social programs unless you are willing to be specific...VERY specific....otherwise the solution is simply a strawman) Would it require an increase in some kind of taxes?

[Nathans_Dad]

Moneyguy, it really is simple. Abandon the concept of deficit spending. Period. Done.

We all have to budget our money every month. If you have to spend some extra on something one month, then maybe you don't go out to eat as much, whatever. Why should the government be any different? They get a budget, they have to stay within that budget (and no funny accounting either, I mean real dollars. Enough of this discretionary spending BS)

[Moneyguy1]

Rick
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We agree. However, telling me won't solve the problem. Holding your elected officials responsible is better (but for the last decade or so questionalble at best). No matter which party is in the majority, self policing obviously does not work. Eliminate the add-ons like the infamous Alaskan bridge to nowhere (yeah, that will never happen) and find a way to reduce the "peer pressure" that "If you don't vote for my pork, I won't vote for yours" attitude.

Government has a fatal flaw. You mention budgeting your family expenses. Governmtn feels differently...It ain't their money; it is someone elses. How you get rid of that attitude I do not know.

Are you aware that the federal government is the only one that does not have to balance its budget?

[lendaddy]

What about Federal ballot initiatives? Does such a beast exist?

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
Rick
,
We agree. However, telling me won't solve the problem.

Neither will yammering about it on a Porsche BBS. Nothing that goes on on PPOT actually has any effect on anything. I thought that was obvious. If you want to "fix the problem", you have to actually get into politics for real. Get into elections, form protest groups, whatever. In reality your one vote doesn't count for all that much no matter how pissed off you are at the current situation. Now, if you go out into your community and get a few thousand other people to listen to you and thus cast their votes along with you...now you are talking, at least on a local scale. Multiply that by a few million people and you can start to have an effect on national politics.

PPOT is an outlet for hot air...nothing else.

[Moneyguy1]

Rick..

Trust me. I spend a LOT of time in the arena locally and to a lesser degree at the state and federal level on committees and "focus groups". I recommend that others get involved as well.

Yammering here is a way of emphasizing the need for involvement. Maybe someone will "get the message".