Dems win the Senate...

[Bob's Flat-Six]

Originally posted by Racerbvd
I worked in the ship yards, hard labor to PAY my way through college, my father, a big Democrat, union man, didn't pay for it, the government, didn't pay it, me working 2 jobs paid for my schooling. My business was built from the ground up, and after 20 years is doing well, but I will be punished for being white and not having the government do it for me!!!

How many of you who criticize me own your own business or are in actual management positions, worked your way up??

Have owned my own business ( Excavating contractor ) since the mid 70's, and still work hard everyday with dirt under my feet not carpet. I started on a shoe string, No money, a public education (that I'm grateful for) and little if any family support.

I'm an American first over any party and try to be the best one I can be on a daily basis. Why ? because I know how lucky I am to be one, and will never forget the sacrifices that got us this far.
I know she's is not perfect, never has been and never will be, but she is everything that "We" make her.

[red-beard]

I would say my chances of getting AMT fixed are pretty close to zero.

[Jim Richards]

Originally posted by Bob's Flat-Six
Have owned my own business ( Excavating contractor ) since the mid 70's, and still work hard everyday with dirt under my feet not carpet. I started on a shoe string, No money, a public education (that I'm grateful for) and little if any family support.

I'm an American first over any party and try to be the best one I can be on a daily basis. Why ? because I know how lucky I am to be one, and will never forget the sacrifices that got us this far.
I know she's is not perfect, never has been and never will be, but she is everything that "We" make her.

Classy post. America before party should be in all of our hearts and minds. Two thumbs up, Bob.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

100% agreed.

And FWIW the notion that the recent Republican administration is any more or less frugal than their Democratic counterparts is a myth. This administration has spent like a drunk college girl out with her friends and daddy's credit card. It's HARDLY been a model for fiscal conservatism.

I agree it's a bit of a shame that a bunch of "bleeding heart liberals" had to be voted into office in order to stop the bull-headed obstinance and gluttonous power orgy that has been spewed out of Washington as of late. I honestly hope that the Democratic Congress is able to now effectively contain the power of a dictatorial demagogue (Bush) and that Bush is able to ignore or veto any attempts to increase spending (I don't know honestly how they could) or taxes by Congress.

A standoff/balanced/"do-nothing" government is a LOT better than the one we've been stuck with for the last few years.

The issues of national direction, policy, etc. and the complete lack of coherent vision from this administration trumps all else. If it means I have to tighten my belt for a few years, so be it. Small price to pay in the grand scheme of things so that maybe our children's generation might POSSIBLY have a future.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
This administration has spent like a drunk college girl out with her friends and daddy's credit card. It's HARDLY been a model for fiscal conservatism.

I agree it's a bit of a shame that a bunch of "bleeding heart liberals" had to be voted into office in order to stop the bull-headed obstinance and gluttonous power orgy that has been spewed out of Washington as of late.

If it means I have to tighten my belt for a few years, so be it. Small price to pay in the grand scheme of things so that maybe our children's generation might POSSIBLY have a future.

Three back-to-back grand slam home runs, Jeff. Nice hitting.

Byron is a fruitcake. Get a grip.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by alf
The check and balance system was not quite working the last several years.

That's an understatement.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by svandamme
what now? now it's just a wait till 08 to see if i get 5 bucks, or go for the complete win at 15 bucks...

lol, mind being part of a little social experiment?

Shoot me your e-mail or address for PayPal/check.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by lendaddy
lol, mind being part of a little social experiment?

Shoot me your e-mail or address for PayPal/check.

no worries Daddy , i'm not hardcore that way
i'll await the 08 prezzie election

[hytem]

I've always thought that "big spending" label the Republicans succeeded in pinning on "liberals" was phoney--heck, they all spend money in Washington--conservatives and liberals--just on different things.

What's new is cutting taxes and fighting a war on the next generation's money--I guess it takes a "conservative" to pull that one off.

[911pcars]

Geez. It's only been a couple of days since election day. I don't think anything has changed of any consequence yet. Even Rummy's "retirement" hasn't changed the situation in Iraq as of yet.

Umm. We are at war aren't we? Who was planning to pay for this if we cut taxes? In my simple mind, it seems we should be paying for the war effort now, not borrowing it and letting future generations pay it back. Maybe our current administration thought the electorate would go along with their plan if they weren't subject to any discomfort and sacrifice.

Can't buy that 40" wide screen you were planning to purchase? Maybe the dollars would be more wisely spent on better protection for our kids in Iraq and Afghanistan (not always a priority).

How about, Let's see what happens before we pass judgement? I'm waiting and observing too.

Sherwood

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
If it means I have to tighten my belt for a few years, so be it. Small price to pay in the grand scheme of things so that maybe our children's generation might POSSIBLY have a future.

Case in point. The difference between a liberal and a conservative.

P-o-P says he is ok if HE has to tighten his belt to pay the new taxes to get the country righted again.

I say the damn GOVERNMENT should tighten THEIR belts and quit spending my tax dollars like a drunken sailor.

And Superman cheers the thought...sad really.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Once we fix the REAL problems facing this country, I'll be happy to become a one-issue voter like yourself and solely base my voting on how much money I get to put on my bank account.

Excuuuuuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuse me if I happen to believe there are more important things in the world.

[Nathans_Dad]

Ah, so instead of actually addressing why you think we should all pony up more cash for the bloated Federal government, you choose to try and pigeon hole me as a "one issue voter"??

Guess, again...I have at LEAST two issues that I can think of at the same time! I ain't as dumb as you think I am!

Funny how the ad hominem attacks always come when they have no answer to your argument.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

You're the one that tried to put words into my mouth saying I don't believe the government should curtail its spending and exercise fiscal responsibility. I actually believe quite the opposite, but I'm willing to live with a less rosy alternative of "tax-and-spend" policies in the short term in order to fix more pressing problems. Once those are fixed, we can get rid of the bleeding-heart handouts. It's called "phasing". It's also called "priorities". I'd love to have my cake and eat it too, but I guess I'm a little more realistic than that to think that we'll get both from Washingtoon politicans - ANY Washingtoon politicians (regarless of "D" or "R" label).

[Nathans_Dad]

First of all, I never said YOU said you thought that there should be no curtailment of government.

I simply pointed out that your initial, knee jerk response to the overspending in Washington was to pony up more of your tax dollars and "tighten your belt" for the common good. Isn't that what you said?

It isn't my fault that you failed to mention anything about curtailing government spending in your post, you wrote the thing...not me. If you think we should curtail spending first, then I would think that would be your first response...it wasn't.

But while we are on the topic, I'm curious about which pressing problems you think we face today that warrant increased taxes instead of curtailing government spending.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Case in point. The difference between a liberal and a conservative.

P-o-P says he is ok if HE has to tighten his belt to pay the new taxes to get the country righted again.

I say the damn GOVERNMENT should tighten THEIR belts and quit spending my tax dollars like a drunken sailor.

And Superman cheers the thought...sad really.

Well, there are many more differences between a liberal and a conservative -- one being that the conservatives have shown a willingness to run up debt at a staggering rate, creating a false sense of economic well-being. On a pay-as-you-go basis, the last 6 years of conservative dominance have increased the tax debt load on every American taxpayer by about $30K.

Worse, because the money was borrowed, the total cost is probably going to be triple that in debt service and principal reduction (assuming the US ever geets to the point of being able to reduce the debt).

The conservatives have run a fantasy economic policy in three of the last four administrations and have been the major player in increasing the national debt nearly 8X.

How is a liberal different? Supporting domestic spending programs rather than overseas spending. Running smaller deficits by tracking taxation closer to spending levels. Ending the most egregious corporate welfare.

Neither liberal nor conservative are the ideal government modality. But after the wreck the conservatives have made of America's standing in the world -- monetarily, militarily and even in terms of moral leadership, how could any other ideology have done worse?

[Nathans_Dad]

Tech, you have no argument from me on the spending in Washington. I would like to see, though, an example where the liberals in Washington reduced government spending. Trust me, I would love to see the Democrats reduce government spending. I would also like to see a pig fly...that would be cool.

It seems to me that the liberal voter in this country sees his or her tax dollar as a form of charity. They give their money to the government in the hopes that government programs will help the poor, downtrodden, uneducated masses. I wonder what would happen if the government got out of the charity business and let the actual charities do that work.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Tech, you have no argument from me on the spending in Washington. I would like to see, though, an example where the liberals in Washington reduced government spending. Trust me, I would love to see the Democrats reduce government spending. I would also like to see a pig fly...that would be cool.

It seems to me that the liberal voter in this country sees his or her tax dollar as a form of charity. They give their money to the government in the hopes that government programs will help the poor, downtrodden, uneducated masses. I wonder what would happen if the government got out of the charity business and let the actual charities do that work.

Rick, tell me why Halliburton, Exxon, Lockheed-Martin and the rest deserve charity, and I will better understand your position.

[hardflex]

If you're giving money to the downtrodden, perhaps you should see where they're actually spending it...

[hardflex]

another from this site. Interesting budget proposals there, you all should take a look.

http://www.sensiblepriorities.org/budget_analysis.php