Oh Darn! The Bill is Dead

[GO DAWG GO]

46-53, immigration bill goes down in defeat ...Yes!

Let's See...How long until we get another, unconstitutional, Law undermining, Mexican get out of jail free Bill, rammed down our throats?

Within a month? "W" will try...

Bob

[scottmandue]

Be afraid... be very afraid...

[Jim Richards]

See how your Senators voted:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?threadid=354466

[Rikao4]

best news so far today..unless I hear Bush and Kennedy are getting deported...then I will do a happy dance on my desk.

Rika

[jluetjen]

It's pretty obvious that the art of compromise is desparately lacking in the current legislature, and possibly in our society as a whole.

[sammyg2]

Failing to pass a decent immigration bill is a bad thing for everyone except the illegal aliens. We lose.

It's really quite simple:
Make it illegal to employ an illegal alien. Say a $100,000 fine per offense, maybe even $100,000 per day . Then actually enforce that law.
Create a new agency to do the enforcement. Use the money from the fines to pay for the enforcement, just like with OSHA and the AQMD. The agency will have motivation to catch the offenders because that is where their paycheck will come from. The more they catch, the bigger their budget.

If we do that there will be no need to build a fence. There will be no need to patrol the borders. No need for the national guard to play policeman.
No jobs, no money, the illegal aliens go somewhere else.

But noooooooo, we can't do that. The republican politicians don't want to piss off business owners.
The democrat politicians don't want to piss of the latino voters.
Stalemate.
See, I don't give a ratsass about pissing off the business owners who employ illegal aliens and I certainly don't give a ratsass about pissing off the latino vote, that's why I wouldn't make a good politician (good politician is an oxymoron with the emphasis on the last two syllables).

[GO DAWG GO]

I was looking over Jim's list of Republicans traitors who supported it. I hope McCain understands his future has been compromised. He's an a-shole. I used to feel sorry for him for his treatment in Nam. But he's a farce and a political TROLL.

[Noney]

Ding Dong the bill is dead!!!!

Thank Gawd. I was really worried when this thing came back to life. Maybe there's still a chance for sanity in this country.... (maybe)

[GO DAWG GO]

Sammy,

I dont understand your opposition to the oposition???Per se! I agree and most people agree with your expanation. If govt would enforce the current laws we wouldnt be in this situation to begin with. Its kinda like the UN. They think by creating new resolutions somehow they will ultimately be inforced. You and I know the govt isn't going to enforce squat. So by legalizing the existing illegals all we have done is invited more and changed the political landscape of the country forever. You could kiss conservative ideology goodbye....forever...That is the threat.

IMHO

Bob

[mattdavis11]

For all of you who think this is completely dead, you might be wrong. A motion to reconsider the vote by which the bill failed adoption can be raised at anytime.

[Jim Richards]

Sure, but will there be the votes to pass it? And what will be the implications when the Senators face their constituents at the next election? I'm sure that will weigh on their minds. Well, everyone except Teddy Kennedy.

[GO DAWG GO]

mattdavis11,

You are right...and it just may..But, with this going down in flames and the republicans are clearly aware of the potential backlash against them, it most likely has been thrown in the politically incorrect shredder. Bush supports it because he is lame. He would never 4 years ago. These issues scare me about a politicians will to compromise the rule of law to placate to a group of special interests, persuasion and misdeeds. In this case this compromise will reverberate at the next election for both parties.

We will see!

[sammyg2]

Robert, I'm all in favor of a good immigration bill but I don't believe this was it.
I wasn't saying that they should have passed this bill but we all lose when they don't pass a good immigration bill.

Unfortunately they won't compromize and come up with a good bill because both parties want to keep the flow of illegal immigrants going, but for different reasons.

The republican party wants illegal immigrants for a cheap work force. Democrats want the illegals to keep coming so they can become legal and vote, for the democrats!
Both sides are giving away our country, our culture, and our money.
I write letters (or e-mails) on a weekly basis explaining my position to those who are supposed to be representing me in congress and in the senate. I suggest that everyone should do that.

[techweenie]

So, what we have is effectively an amnesty in place, rather than a bill that would have imposed fines and hoops for 'illegals' to jump through.

The INS will continue with 'show raids' taking down dozens of workers here and there and xx million will still live in the US under little threat of discovery.

So this is a victory, how?

[sammyg2]

BTW, the public schools in Los Angeles are contemplating making Cesar Chavez day a holiday with no school.
They are doing that because a very large percentage of the students are planning to take that day off. The effect will probably cost the schools so much money it would not be worth it to stay open on that day.
The mayor of Los Angeles (antonio villaraigosa) says we should be building bridges and re-uniting the families who have been split up by immigration. He regularly participates in pro-illegal immigrant marches and protests.
So I ask you, who is really in charge?

[GO DAWG GO]

Tech...

They can't vote...Period. And the real chance that Americans will only accept real enforcement.."Enforcement" is Key..Like I said, we dont need 10 more UN resolutions. Any new bill wont be enforced...So maybe we as American wont get our Social Security completely devoured by people who didnt pay into it. and 100,000,000 more democrats...

Makes sense to me. Laws mean nothing unless they are enforced period! WE have enough already...

[GO DAWG GO]

Sammy,

100,000,000 more democrats and the importation of third world culture..

I dont want to live in MEXICO! Villaraigosa is a communist sympathizer and a socialist. Read his history..MECHA advocate and he spouts to bring California back to MEXICO..Seriously...Why do you think some of us are "Highly Motivated " when it comes to this issue.

[The Gaijin]

I think the rest of the country is waking up to what California is confronting today and want no part of this for their own future. When you have a hundred million people next door making $5 a day - you pretty much know in your heart that the border must be secure as a first step.

[GO DAWG GO]

Gaij,

You brought up a very interesting point. 15 million willing to accept $5 dollars and hour automatically makes labor worth $5 dollars an hour. "labor is worth only what someone's willing to pay for it" so if your willing to work for nothing..nothing is what you will get. This subversely affects the middle class. Enforce the laws and go after the employers whom hire these folks and they will go home.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by robert_snyder
Tech...

They can't vote...Period. And the real chance that Americans will only accept real enforcement.."Enforcement" is Key..Like I said, we dont need 10 more UN resolutions. Any new bill wont be enforced...So maybe we as American wont get our Social Security completely devoured by people who didnt pay into it. and 100,000,000 more democrats...

Makes sense to me. Laws mean nothing unless they are enforced period! WE have enough already...

Lots of people would like to imagine that being here illegally is a felony. It's an 'administrative violation' like speeding.

Yes, enforcement is good, but what the noisiest anti-immigrant people really need to do first is make it a significant crime to be here without documentation. Then, and only then, will enforcement be meaningful.

'Illegals' cannot get social security payments. Further, many are using other peoples' social security numbers when they work, so the social security system is getting net money in.

As for the cost of illegals, there's not much actual cost there, according to studies that are not politically based. For instance, they are 1/20th as likely to use emergency rooms as US citizens are.

The anti-immigrant hysteria is just a big distraction from far more significant problems.