Getting into a Fight as a Grown Man

[on-ramp]

Originally Posted by Kurt V

I'm a dude you don't fuch with, ever. Latest example. I'm at the grocery store making a bee line for the 1% milk with the latest date stamp on it. I see it. It's mine. Then out of nowhere this biotch cuts her cart in front of me and takes the milk. Well I'm not taking this kind of crap off any soccer mom so I bump my cart into her and give her the evil eye. She laughs, swerves her cart really close to me and tells me "nice try pencil dik." I swear if there hadn't been another gallon with a date stamp expiring just two days earlier there would have been some serious carnage.

yep , your posts here have you sounding like an arrogant SOB.. . . and so quick to get into a fight with a woman at the grocery store over some milk. how lame is that...

[Racerbvd]

Well, I ovoid fights too, much easier to buy a drink for someone and take the edge off (weather it involves me or not, if they are just near me) that being said, I guess my last "one was about 18 years ago, a guy was playing me for a fool, and when I caught on that he was ******* around with my lady, and playing me as a "new buddy", he sucker punched me, I had him about 3/4 over the rail on the 2rd story of the hotel when a couple of my friends grabbed me, I didn't fight them, and this POS tried to sucker punch me again, but one of my friends jumped in the way and took it since I was being held and couldn't block it. Now that I look back on it, I should have dropped that POS on his head off the balcony
I use to be way too nice.

[Rick Lee]

So has anyone here ever suffered some legal consequences for their brawls? I've seen some serious fights. First weekend at college I saw a guy get punched in the face with a cinder block. He got up and almost killed the guy. He and his crew were throwing beer bottles on the guy's head. It looked like Reginald Denny. Playing with my band in bars, I saw plenty of action there too, but always had cops or bouncers between us and the unruly ones. I saw the cops Rodney King a guy and toss him head first out the door where he bounced his head off a parking meter. Cops didn't bother to cuff him or write him up. That was it. The older I get, the more I have to lose. Some people really need to be taken down a notch. But I don't want to lose my assets or freedom to do it.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

So has anyone here ever suffered some legal consequences for their brawls? I've seen some serious fights. First weekend at college I saw a guy get punched in the face with a cinder block. He got up and almost killed the guy. He and his crew were throwing beer bottles on the guy's head. It looked like Reginald Denny. Playing with my band in bars, I saw plenty of action there too, but always had cops or bouncers between us and the unruly ones. I saw the cops Rodney King a guy and toss him head first out the door where he bounced his head off a parking meter. Cops didn't bother to cuff him or write him up. That was it. The older I get, the more I have to lose. Some people really need to be taken down a notch. But I don't want to lose my assets or freedom to do it.

Yes, that is all I can say, it ain't cheap

[sammyg2]

I fought alot when I was young, in high school I probably got in a fight a month or more.
No one ever wins a fight but I usually ended up better off. A few times I ended up pretty beat up but it healed.
I had a rep as a tough guy and a bully. My three brothers were the same way, no one who knew us messed with us when we were all together unless they were suicidal. I'm 6'2" and I was the runt of the family. I almost had to live up to the rep. Being the smallest of the three brothers who loved to fight made me a bit short tempered and quick to react.

In college I got in a few fights, mostly at frat partied with *********s who couldn't handle their beer.
In my 20's I started to get to the point where I actually had something to loose.
I backed away from a few stupid fights but still got into more than I should.
One day (around 30 years old) I realized the only reason I fought was because of ego and insecurity. It was almost never because of self defence. I could have walked away or backed down in most instances.
I had a house, a good paying job, and was more secure in myself, and that's also about the time I started going to church.
Fighting started to seem seem stupid and childish.
I still have most of that same bad temper and the mentality of a bully but I don't act upon those emotions anymore.
Last year I was challenged by a troublemaker, calling me a ****** cracker and all sorts of thing. I knew I could hurt him real bad and teach him a lesson without taking much damage at all if any, but I backed down and let it go.
It was hard. Real hard. The ego part of me was still there and I was very angry, It took about a week to pass before I stopped being angry and started feeling good about it.
I hope I'll never get in another fight but deep down inside, the animal is still there. the only difference is that I'm in control now instead of him.

Some might suggest that I'm not much of a christian because of that but if I hadn't found my faith I'd be alot worse of a person than I am now. Jesus didn't come for the saints, he came for the sinners (like me).

[Tobra]

Grown men have wars, boys have fights.

I have too much to lose to fight. When I lived in Texas, we had some trouble with some young folks from next door coming onto the property(gated condos on a lake) One night, my neighbor calls about 0200 and asks me to accompany him while he asked some drunken youths to leave. My buddy is about 6'2''and 210#, muscular, athletic guy. This little girl, 5', 100# and maybe 17, slapped his face, hard. He was cool, told her to get the hell out of here before someone got hurt. One of the guys with her, sort of bowed up, like he was going to fight, but decided against it as his large friend was passed out drunk. The stupid kids' mother comes out, and want to know the problem, I tell her she needs to keep her kids under control, before one ends up going to jail. She was so not in control of her kids.

Later, when we were sitting on our patio decompressing, my wife pulls her .38 out of her pocket and puts it on the table, then Rick puts his.357 next to it. I was the only one not strapped. I ask my wife if she would have shot any of them and she said she would not waste a bullet on them, besides it would have been more satisfying to beat the crap out of them. I have no doubt she could have taken any of them, she is a tough chick who knows how to fight and is not afraid to break a nail(or a knuckle) to straighten someone out.

[speeder]

One thing that I thought of right away on this thread is that we have members who are 20 years old, which is a lot different from 50 or 60 when it comes to getting in fights. Even if you are the fighting type, (most people aren't), you will likely do most of it when you are relatively young.

The vast majority of people on earth have never hit another person, ever. (Other than childhood/brother/sister stuff). These people are either non-violent or afraid of that type of violence, or both. And there is nothing necessarily wrong with this. Getting in physical scraps is generally not a good thing, but there is a certain freedom in knowing that you will be OK in them and not afraid. There are some seriously tough people out there, and I can spot them from a mile away. Most aggressive types are phonies and cowards, though. I hate bullies and A-holes so much that when I meet one, I light up like a torch. 9 times out of ten, they will not push it to the point of violence because they are cowards and if nothing else do not want their tough-guy reps destroyed in an instant. The few that were unhinged enough to take a swing at me have all lost so far in adulthood. No, I am not some ultra tough-guy, it's just that most people cannot fight. That's the bottom line.

[DavidI]

I am a full contact fighter and enjoy the "battle." We fight in MMA with very few rules (biting, eye gouging, etc.) and try to knock each other out or submit each other. That is in competition.

In my job, I have been in many, many fights. I am a small guy (506/180 lbs) and over the years have significantly improved my humility, reasoning skills, and patience when dealing with bad guys. I would much rather talk to a bad guy than have to put my hands on him. In most cases, the bad guy understands the game and goes along with the program. When the suspect is high, emotionally charged, or enraged no amount of reasoning works and I have been forced into fights. I have had guys attempt to ambush me at the end of foot pursuits, vehicle pursuits, domestic violence cases, etc. Although I am more than competent as a fighter, my choice is to talk and use violence as a last result.

If you have not trained for a fight and are an average "Joe," you probably will not last more than 30 seconds. It is exhausting and shocking for most people.

David

[masraum]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I've never hit another person in anger. Ever.

In martial arts class we have sparred. But in real life I've either talked my way out, been on guard (never been sucker punched) and blocked/deflected, or walked away. Even if it made me "look bad". Usually people get themselves into stupid situations, so if you have to lose face you likely earned it.

One of my sifus gave me advice I follow to this day. First, avoid the situation. If you can't do that, talk your way out. If you can't do that, walk away. If they chase you, run. If all else fails, then you likely are fighting for your life, so end it. No "fair fight" crap. You gouge their eyes, elbow the temple, etc (San Soo is a nasty style). Fighting is not a game.

Exactly my philosophy.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by on-ramp

yep , your posts here have you sounding like an arrogant SOB.. . . and so quick to get into a fight with a woman at the grocery store over some milk. how lame is that...

I hope you are as kidding as he was.

[Jeff Alton]

Yep, I was laughing out loud when I read Kurt's post, I guess not everyone saw the humor??

Cheers

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by on-ramp

I take HEAT all the time around here.

And deservedly so....

[450knotOffice]

Danny, I never said that I hang out at bars (yuch), and I never said that I'd sucker punch somebody for talking to my woman. What I said was that this stuff happens all the time in bars. I remember this stuff from my younger days 21+ years ago. There was always so much testosterone floating around in these bars and it was always mixed with too much alcohol. Almost every time I'd go out back then, I'd see some stupid jealous drunk get into a fight over a woman because some other dude was looking at her. It was ridiculous, really.

That's what I mean by saying this **** happens. Most of the time, I'd see the one guy start it, but the other guy would eventually join the party, and then the game was on, usually to be broken up within seconds by the bouncers. Many times somebody got a nose broken. My feeling on all of this was that usually both guys went their separate ways to lick their wounds and that was it.

Personally, I'm not a fighter and have managed to avoid fights my entire life, but if I managed to get into one, I'm not the type to sue for a broken nose.

[JavaBrewer]

Most people don't know how to fight...me included. My last fist fight was in Junior High...I think I landed 2-3 punches and scored a draw. Every fight I've witnessed of late the participants look retarded. I avoid fighting situations, scenarios, locations, and people. Everyone who participates in a bar/street fight is a loser.

[the]

Originally Posted by masraum

I hope you are as kidding as he was.

Of course off-ramp wasn't kidding.

You may not have noticed, but he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[slodave]

I just open a can of....

[WolfeMacleod]

Originally Posted by cab83_750

Be careful about fights. Given the right circumstances, someone could prove to you........:

"You may know KungFu, but I know GunFu!!!"

Someone said that to my Master once. He took his gun away from him, and shot him with it.

[Jims5543]

I told this story once before.

A employee (Dave) of mine was in a adult night club with a bunch of friends and a couple of co workers. Some guy there (a stranger to all of them) sitting at the next table decided Daves girlfriend must be a whore for being in a strip club and kept talking trash to her.

Dave never heard him but some of the other guys did and decided it was time to leave never letting Dave know. The clowns followed them out. Got in their pickup and drove across the parking lot to say some more rude things to the girlfriend again.

Now, Dave trains 5 days a week and is trying to break into the UFC, he has not lost a bout yet and is pretty scrappy. He hears what this clown says and approaches the pickup and tells him to drive off before he makes a big mistake. Of course he tries to get out of his pickup and Dave punches him so hard in the side of the face he shatters his cheekbone and knocks him out.

Dave was arrested 1 mile from the club. Charged with assault and trespassing for reaching into the guys pickup to hit him. Ends up with over 5K in court costs, and has to pay the other guys medical bills. On top of all that he is now a Felon and had to sell his guns that he collected and cannot vote anymore. There is also the 3 years probation that costs him every time he visits.

That was one expensive punch.

IMHO resorting to violence is a sign of ignorance. No matter how mad someone has made me I always just walk away I have the ability to remove myself from a stupid situation and I exercise my right to.


Danny I am with you 100% at one point in your life it turns from my Daddy is bigger then yours to my Lawyer is meaner than yours. Only a fool would punch another man these days.

[on-ramp]

Originally Posted by masraum

I hope you are as kidding as he was.

[Mo_Gearhead]

QUOTE: "If you have not trained for a fight and are an average "Joe," you probably will not last more than 30 seconds. It is exhausting and shocking for most people.'
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+1 Words to the wise.

As someone previously stated, most people have never been in a REAL fight in their lives. Perhaps a couple of thrown punches, some grappling, someone gets thrown to the ground, etc. For the individual that has not trained and has not taken serious blows to the body and head, it is over quickly.

Shock and awe baby!