Getting into a Fight as a Grown Man

[Tishabet]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I've never hit another person in anger. Ever.

Same here... made it to 27 years old, never been in a fight of any sort.

Thinking about it, I don't know if I've ever even been close; never even really "had words" with anyone.

I'm 5'10'', weighed 190 in HS and 215 now, sort of boyish looking, played varsity sports, regularly go out drinking at bars, live in sort of a "scrappy" city, etc. Maybe I'm more badass looking than I thought

[rammstein]

Do a search on you tube for street fights and such. After watching this, I think I learned a thing or two-

1) My 150lb frame would not do well in a fight.

2) Don't assume you can win a fight based on the appearance of the other dude. There's a video of a thug-type guy on a basketball court starting with a nerdy looking dude. Nerdy guy keeps trying to get out of it, which emboldens the aggressor to go further. Finally, nerdy guy goes into a kung-fu stance. The crowd draws back- and it appears this guy was for real. The aggressor flails like 30 punches at the nerd, who deflects, deflects, dodges, and then finally takes one well aimed shot. Overwith.

3) Another lesson learned from the nerd fight (and from watching a lot of UFC)- a calculated strike is a lot better than a barrage of nonsensical windmill punches.

I've never been in a real fight. Closest came on Miami Beach last year. An apparant vagrant struck me on the back of the head while I was walking home with my wife from the 4th of July fireworks. I will never know why- he was speaking gibberish and clearly on some serious 'meds'. The strike was actually light enough that I thought it might have been someone I knew messing with me, until I saw him. From the look of him, I might have actually had a chance. However, he had a pretty lame leg and walked with a hobble. So I chose to take the wife and go for a 3 block jog. The SOB actually hobbled about 1 before giving up. I did this because: I don't need to prove my toughness to my wife- I'd rather she think I'm smart. I don't want to touch a dude that dirty and risk getting crabs or something. I don't want to end up being sued by him when a dirtbag lawyer gets to him and makes it a 'hate crime' or something. By simply getting out of there, I got to be home in time for South Park and some ice cream. BTW- not a cop in sight during the incident, which is odd because the police station was literally 2 blocks away and there's almost always a presence. Oh well... I am here and crabs free!

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Jim Cesiro

Danny I am with you 100% at one point in your life it turns from my Daddy is bigger then yours to my Lawyer is meaner than yours. Only a fool would punch another man these days.

Jim, I hate to say it, but this is a cautionary tale about the legal system. You're friend must have had a schit lawyer if he pled to that after the circumstances you described. I'll bet the farm that there was no trial.

Yes, avoid violence at all costs. But if you ever have to defend yourself and someone else gets hurt, Keep your ******* mouth shut when the cops arrive! Not one word, other than "I want a lawyer". You have absolutely nothing to gain at that point, and everything to lose. Do not assist them in their investigation to charge you with a crime, which you may or may not be guilty of.

And find a real trial lawyer who is not afraid to take it to trial, and that the city attorney knows will take it there and probably win. That changes things pronto. Just like the "most people have never thrown a punch", most lawyers have never been in a trial. Especially a criminal trial. Yes, you read that right. If you are using some real estate or defective refrigerator attorney because he's your brother-in-law or neighbor, (extremely common when non-criminal types get charged w/ something), you are hosed. They will start to shake like a dog schitting chicken bones when the thought of going to trial comes up and just grab their ankles for the prosecutor, then tell you that "this is the best deal you're going to get.."

A real trial lawyer, (like my Dad FWIW), just like a real fighter, relishes the battle, rarely loses, and it's the prosecutors that are shaking usually. He would have walked your buddy and had him suing the guy w/ the mouth for hitting your guy w/ his face.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

what's funny of course is seeing me or meeting me. You'd laugh.

Wow, I have seen pictures of you, read your posts here, and know what you do for a living and you are the last person I would expect to be a fighter.

I, on the other hand as the youngest of a three boy family, worked in construction for around ten years and run somewhere around 200 lbs. and 5' 11' and... everyone thought I was a bada$$... but I have NEVER been in a fight in my life. I was a big kid in school so I guess that protected me those days. A few year back I flipped the bird to some kid while driving and he ran me down, stopped in front of me, and jumped out of his car... this kid looked to weigh all of 135 lbs wet and I was pretty sure I could kick his ass (and I wanted to) unless his knew some serious marital arts. However looking at the little guy I wasn't sure he was over 18 and the logic portion on my brain kicked in so I let it pass.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

It's true...some liberals feel they have the right to be mouthy and push, push, push...even when it's obvious that somebody is trying to ignore their spiel...

Some conservatives do the same. I mean, it really shouldn't take that long to figure out if somebody is "like minded" or not...or...not interested at all.

But on posting boards? On-ramp has no fear of a bloody nose. I have no fear either....

Wow, is there NO thread, NO subject, ANYTHING that doesn't become political around here?

How about this one, I'll post a thread entitled, "What Kind of Bread Do You Like for Your Sandwich?" Nah, someone would respond that the pinko liberal bastard f@gs like whole wheat, but the true American conservatives know you gotta have homemade by your housewife, regular-ass sliced white bread or you ain't no American, no sir!

On a different note, it is interesting to me that so many responded to this thread and so many feel the need to recite their/opponents physical "stats". "My name is "Big John", I go 6"-6" and weigh 245, I'm kinda wide at the shoulders and narrow in the hips and everyone knows you don't give no lip to Big John"

[Rick Lee]

Despite having not been in a fight for many, many years, I do tend to come across as someone who won't be badgered and that has perhaps helped me avoid trouble. A few years ago when I was parallel parking, a smaller car jumped into the spot. I had my signal and reverse lights on and was there long before the other guy. I jumped out and walked briskly up to his window. That alone got him to out his hands up and say "Take it easy! I'm leaving."

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

...I do tend to come across as someone who won't be badgered and that has perhaps helped me avoid trouble. ... I jumped out and walked briskly up to his window. That alone got him to out his hands up and say "Take it easy! I'm leaving."

Rick, That's funny.
I am hispanic and about ten years ago when I was more trim than I am now and I wore a mustache I got mistaken for a cop all the time. Once I was hassled by a parking attendant as I was leaving a hotel seminar. I was in my car at the little parking kiosk and I opend my door abruptly, stood up quickly and reached into my left rear pocket (for my wallet) as I was moving toward the kiosk with my upset obviously in my face.

The eyes of the smallish Asian man in the booth opened WIDE, his hands went up and he said, "No shoot, no shoot". I didn't understand what he was saying but immediately came out with my wallet and his whole manner changed. He smiled and kinda giggled. He said, "I thought you police, you shoot. My country police shoot". I apologized for frightening him but I'm not sure he understood.

Later, after kinda laughing about it I thought, "Dan, you dum$hit, he might have shot YOU thinking you were going to shoot him". I've worked on getting a handle on my moods and my demeanor when upset. I squelch it if at all possible. Which mostly works - 98% of the time...until it doesn't and then I REALLY look P.O.'d.

[Jims5543]

Originally Posted by speeder

Jim, I hate to say it, but this is a cautionary tale about the legal system. You're friend must have had a schit lawyer if he pled to that after the circumstances you described. I'll bet the farm that there was no trial.

Yes, avoid violence at all costs. But if you ever have to defend yourself and someone else gets hurt, Keep your ******* mouth shut when the cops arrive! Not one word, other than "I want a lawyer". You have absolutely nothing to gain at that point, and everything to lose. Do not assist them in their investigation to charge you with a crime, which you may or may not be guilty of.

And find a real trial lawyer who is not afraid to take it to trial, and that the city attorney knows will take it there and probably win. That changes things pronto. Just like the "most people have never thrown a punch", most lawyers have never been in a trial. Especially a criminal trial. Yes, you read that right. If you are using some real estate or defective refrigerator attorney because he's your brother-in-law or neighbor, (extremely common when non-criminal types get charged w/ something), you are hosed. They will start to shake like a dog schitting chicken bones when the thought of going to trial comes up and just grab their ankles for the prosecutor, then tell you that "this is the best deal you're going to get.."

A real trial lawyer, (like my Dad FWIW), just like a real fighter, relishes the battle, rarely loses, and it's the prosecutors that are shaking usually. He would have walked your buddy and had him suing the guy w/ the mouth for hitting your guy w/ his face.

I agree 100% it was a railroading. The kid he punched never showed up in court once. It went before a judge but not a jury. The County Prosecutor was a militant lesbian man hater and I think the fact that my friend was in a strip club with his girlfriend is what killed him. I could not believe it either and would have fought it.

He also fled the scene and looks the part, covered in tattoo's and piercings. He probably had a crappy lawyer, I though the whole deal stuck to high heaven.

There was more to this too, he ran around the truck and told the passanger not to even think of getting out and he did not. Meanwhile the drunk friends proceeded to kick some dents in the truck break the back window and piss on the truck. It was pretty out of hand.

The guy that guy punched worked in a shoe store and was telling everyone afterwards he was involved in a bad drug deal. They ran into each other in a regular club about 6 months later and almost went to fists again.

[The Gaijin]

I took karate as a kid and hated beating people up. Then I wrestled in high school and still hated it..

Caught a plastic soda bottle in the back of the head a few years ago. I think - "Man think quick." I turn around and walk back to the crowd of young black toughs in front of the bodega and say "So who is the stupid motherfu*ker throwing things at a police sargent". The crowd just melted away.. I had to laugh. Then I went home and called the real police.

[Burnin' oil]

I have said it before, and I don't like to brag, but every fight I have ever been in has ended with someone crying like a little baby.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Wow, I have seen pictures of you, read your posts here, and know what you do for a living and you are the last person I would expect to be a fighter.

For $9.95 you can have access to my web cam show!

I guess my post came across wrong. I'm not a fighter, I just know how to fight. Make no mistake, I avoid them at all costs, and can easily come across as a wuss. but when the switch is flipped, I only fight to win. it takes a lot to flip that switch too, I really am afraid of hurting people.

I think it was 9th grade English class we were reading some classic novel. In it was a "scene" where an elder was teaching a kid how to fight. He closed with something like, "and when you've won and your opponent is down, kick him in the teeth so every time he looks in a mirror, he thinks of you and what you did to him."

Never done it, but it stuck with me.



Edit: BTW, we're creating a "Warriors through the Ages" series of T's: Vikings, Ninja, etc.

[the]

Cool, this board has Einsteins, Trumps, Ron Jeremys, and now, finally, Chuck Norris.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by the

Cool, this board has Einsteins, Trumps, Ron Jeremys, and now, finally, Chuck Norris.

don't forget the Senna's,Schumachers and Ickxes
or the Yeager's, or even Lebowski's

[SlowToady]

If you haven't lost a fight, you haven't been in enough of them. "It was a good run, had to close out some time. Nobody wins em all..."

Last year at school I was walking (ok, weaving) home from a frat party when I saw big commotion about to go down in the street. Apparently, these two large white guys were talking smack to this black guy because he had cut them in line at the 24hr. eatery. The black guy tried to be cool about it and just walk away, but they followed him out into the street and the one guy tried to get into his face and it looked like he tried to push him. Well, this black guy, in the blink of an eye draws back and slams this guy's nose through the back of his skull. There was a squirt of blood and the sound was just unreal..sickening. White Guy #1 is on the ground now, not moving, and the black guy bends over top of him, grabs him by the throat and starts wokin' him. White Guy #2 decided he couldn't let that go, so he winds up and clocks this guy in the back of the head. Completely (or seemingly) un-fazed, the black guy is still working over White Guy #1. White Guy #2 decided he should kick him, then. Black guy falls to the ground, rolls over and off White Guy #1, and lets out an animal like growl and squares up. White Guy #2 squares up and they start boxing. Punches are exchanged for a little bit (maybe a minute..maybe 90 seconds) and the black guy finally lands one hell of a punch, leveling White Guy #2.

Black guy goes to pick up his cell phone or something that fell out of his pocket, but now the Lexington Police are there, 3 of them. I swear I thought Mike Tyson was prowling the streets, 'cause the Cops got it, too. All 3 of them. 2 more cops show up, and they finally get him down with night sticks and pepper spray. Even on the ground with officers holding his arms and hitting him with night sticks, he's STILL trying to kickass. They finally get him cuffed and he kicks an officer; got a night stick across the side of the head for that (literally).

When they get him up off the ground, and the Ambulance arrives for White Guy #1 & #2, White Guy #1 and #2 decide it'd be a good time to talk more smack. There was a gigantic crowd, probably 60 people, that saw them get their asses kicked, and they still want to talk...lmao.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that little story...it was probably the coolest thing I saw all year at school.

Wish I could throw em like that guy.

[scottmandue]

I was at this shady bar and some biker comes up behind me AND TAKES MY BEER RIGHT OFF THE BAR! Well, I'm not going to stand for that so I start throwing blows... it was pretty rough but I gave as well as I got. I manged to get out of the place and have never been back... but I tell you if I ever run into that biker in another bar I bet you she thinks twice before touching my beer again!

[Seric]

I leave the fighting to my sister-in-law's husband. 6'1" 250lb Russian weightlifter who spars with cage fighters for kicks. Good guy to have on your side. I like to call him "Ivan Drago" sometimes when we've had to much Scotch at family functions.

[lm6y]

I've found that if people think you are insane, they usually leave you alone. The people I like think I'm nut's, the ones I don't like, are convinced.

And here lately, I'm not so sure.

I'm 6'3", in the upper end of the 200lb range ( yes, I'm fat, but you have to have a good frame to hang the fat on ). And like a few others on here, I have a hair trigger when it comes to some things. You mess with my family, There will be a death in yours. I know the forest like the back of my hand, and I have a shovel.

Other than that, I'm a teddy bear!

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Danny_Ocean

So...you run from a fight, but not fast enough, and get your nose plastered all over your face. Fight was started only because you talked to some girl sitting at a bar. You didn't touch her, you didn't insult her, just talked to her (not knowing she had a boyfriend). Boyfriend walks up, suckers punches you, smashes said nose, and that's it? You run away? No lawsuit, no retaliation, nothing?

i have german & polish ancestry on my mothers side. my nose is not worth more than maybe $5.00

your story was that your buddy was sucker punched. that is ENTIRELY different from getting run down and beaten. criminal charges would do plenty of damage to the guy. doing more than that is not teaching a lesson, it's cashing in your lottery ticket at the expense of other people (we ALL pay for insurance).

[gassy]

Originally Posted by the

Cool, this board has Einsteins, Trumps, Ron Jeremys, and now, finally, Chuck Norris.

Lest we forget God. He really packs a punch.

[rammstein]

Are you comparing God to Chuck Norris?